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And yet you're the one who, because someone disagrees strongly with your position and is savvy enough to present cogent arguments you find impossible to counter, who has to start labelling people as Arab!

 

And I can bring thousand examples of making things up by Pallywood, electronic enchilada and other pro-Islamic pro-Palestinian sources. So? Let's talk about current issue and not the ones in the past.

 

Did not realize, Arab is a label to be avoided

Whats the weather in London? Be there in a couple of hours...

 

That's emotional nonsence, the ONLY thing that against Israel is the killing of innocent civilians so ofc what ever can be done for them is done - however we will not allow Hamas to take refuge between civilians,
Civilians are being texed and called to evacuate an area before a bombing, they are only at risk if they chose to stay, we already evacuated 80% of our civilian settelments close to Gaza, they should do the same.

 

Your emotions darling. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

Actions speak louder than words. If you believe that you are being fooled. Even the UN said that it was not possible to believe the killing of civilians was accidental. You do not kill 7 or 8 innocents out of ten unless you do not care who you hit. You do not hit areas where you know refugees are unless you believe from previous experience that you can get away with War Crimes.

and then of course there are the songs of not needing schools in Gaza any more because all the children are dead, the sitting on hills cheering as they see the reign of death falling on the children and other civilians of Gaza, there is the racist abuse towards your Palestinian Citizens, the attacks and abuse on Palestinian citizens and Israeli 'leftists', some of it filmed with no response from the police. Israel has lost it Gilos........

Hamas lives among civilians. That is why you will find yourself oh so 'forced' to commit genocide.

Hamas has though agreed to take Israel to the ICC so let's prey there is some intervention to stop this.

Well that did not always happen. Not everyone was texted. Clearly not when you attack known refuge stations. In addition telling civilians you are going to kill them does not exclude you from war crimes for doing so. Many people for many reasons could not leave or believed that they would be safe. You have bombed civilian areas. One quarter of the people you kill are children. Another half are women and men over 60. You kill without due care and proportionality.

I suggest if you have any genuine intent to embrace the truth you have the courage to look at the film recommended in that article which has upset you so much. The Human Shield. I also suggest you look at the B'Tselem on the families killed at home.

In addition to this Human Rights Watch has presented evidence to the UN of deliberate murder by IDF of Gaza citizens.

 

Thank you, I appriciate it.
Fine, girls get terrified with all the alarms, but I do get the house "free" when my wife decides to sleep at her parents with the kids from time to time - so I cant complain

Yes, among the replies I read here yours made the most sense in regard to morals fighting in urban area, its a difficult question Im not sure I can answer because im personaly involved and I want a speedy ending,
Il answer with principels because the facts are not known - Hamas hides the real numbers of its casulties, everyone are civilans if it could have its way. and you wont trust IDF numbers.

I think if an underground launching site is discovered - no way the surrounding civilians dont know about it, it shakes the ground when they shoot, so use small bombs to scare away and use big ones to destroy it.
Mobile launching should not be shot upon unless in clear area, siloes etc' the same principle as above,

Hamas militant leaders should be targeted with minimal civilian casulty as possible, they took a shot at Deif when his close family was around, I feel sorry for his child, I really do, he should have send him away like we do ours.

 

To view the casulties excluding the fighting sides is emotinal nonsense, it serves nothing and got nothing to do with the future.

I seperate the ground action from the rest of the "war", when soldiers are on foot other targets are sighted then on air raids, that could lead to shoot at buildings without notice other than the fact there are shootings in the area and tanks are approaching your neighborhood - so do the math....
We had to go in to eliminate the tunneles, once done the soldiers did evacuate, no one wants a "jewish" Gaza...

So they do, and they chose to fight, if what yous ay makes sense than any organization can dfeat any country if its willing to sacrifice enough civilians, you will have the same in Europe soon, if not already in Ukraine.

Dont be general, there were 2 incidents where it was proven that Hamas fire hit such facilities and only one case of Israeli fire by tank fire, such things happen in wars.

Thats'd funney, if was true we would shoot like Hamas, taking each and every oppertunitty including breaking cease fire ahead of deadline and without notice - to kill as many as possible, one unnoticed bomb in the heart of Gaza will bring a 1,000 dead, not 10.

If a Syrian Tank was approching my neighborhood and fighting all around - Im trying to picture myself telling my wife and kids "This is our home! we will not evacuate and damn the Muslims" or whatever..., I dont see it..., We would defintly evacuate someplace.

I cant see youtube on this pc, server blocks it, I dont need to see it to know kids died, I simply say we hardly have a choice when they shoot at our civilians. they wont be getting a Harbour or Airport, not as long as Hamas is there.

Then sue them if you have evidance, the fighting will not stop thou.

 

I'm 200 miles West of London. It's cool and cloudy.

 

Notice how the Israeli-supporters are always keen on making this a Islam vs Jews conflict- as if the Jews didn't ethnically cleanse Arab Christians, and Arab Christians don't hate Israel.

After all Islam has done to the Jews, the latter have no shame in demonizing the religion. This is not surprising, of course. They have never been a grateful bunch.

 

I agree with you in spirit about not making the Palestinian-Israeli conflict a religous one, but you are misleading to hint Muslims dont see jews as responsible, while they do and activly fight against a Jewish state - dont be suprised Jews see Muslims in general as threat. Europe be the most recent example to what I say.

 

That's because Israel is Jewish. It is a state founded by Jews, to be a home for Jews. Point me out to another Jewish state.

Israel - supporters demonize Islam (as if Palestinian Christians don't exist), but you rarely see the other side vilifying Judaism, or even bringing it up.

 

Ill just agree with you on this post instead of arguing who demonize who more, God knows we disagree on many things to be picky on this one

 

Elie Wiesel is a lying drama queen and a total fraud. He's printed so much crap that anything he writes is extremely suspect to say the least.

 

In "certain circles" I'm sure.

 

Why then did the British media refuse to publish his paid anti-Hamas ad? Do you think knowing the British public its doubting its ability to figure right from wrong? Why is freedom of speech in the UK applied to all sorts of Muslim extremist group expelled from the Muslim world for being ...hmm. Muslim extremist groups... they all found a new home in London under the guise of freedom of speech....but a Nobel prize winner can't publish a paid commercial condemning a universally recognized terror gang...duh.