John Oliver Rails Against Supreme Court Change And Death Of Roe V Wade

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  1. Russ103

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    Who said I don’t want them covered by insurance?? That’s between the insurance company and their customers. I pick/pay for what I want, you do the same.

    Bottom line is this, you only care about control of people, not actual people. Very predictable by now.

    I care about myself, and I mind my own damn business. If more people did that, life would be great for many more people. Contrary to what you think, people (strangers to you) don’t seek your advice on how to live their lives.
     
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    Fertilization: Sperm Penetrates Egg
    "It takes about 24 hours for a sperm cell to fertilize an egg. When the sperm penetrates the egg, the surface of the egg changes so that no other sperm can enter. At the moment of fertilization, the baby's genetic makeup is complete, including whether it's a boy or girl."

    Since the morning after pill was designed to happen within 24 hours, this would put the sperm in contact with whatever the pill is meaning it would either kill the sperm or keep the egg from accepting it...either way the impregnation would not occur so the process should NOT be considered an abortion.

    https://www.webmd.com/baby/ss/slideshow-conception
     
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    It's a shame you conservatives aren't this passionate about the baby AFTER they have been born.

    The moment they pop out and need assistance, you stop giving a hell about them and call them a Socialist. LOL
     
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    thanks for the biology refresher, but it may take longer than 1 day to fertilize an egg.
     
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    Making the choice to spread your legs when you don't want a child should be a natural determent for unsafe sex.
     
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    I was hoping someone more mathematically inclined might have an actual answer. I suspect the odds of a pregnancy for a couple which is properly using both the pill and a condom has got to be microscopically small. In other words, the number of pregnancies chalked up as "accidents" are actually "carelessness", people just call them "accidents" and blame BC/condom failure to escape responsibility.

    If people approached sex more responsibly, the abortion argument would be virtually null. But we live in a world where people eat Tide Pods and think CNN is real news, so....

    This doesn't change the fact that I'm pro-choice (even though I'd never have an abortion myself.) One could make a case that people too irresponsible to prevent a pregnancy are also too irresponsible to raise a child.
     
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    The morning after pill is self explanatory. You go out and have a night of fun, you pop a plan B the next day to kill the fertilization process. Destroying an innocent beating heart is where most draw the line.
     
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    LOL your sense of entitlement is hysterical. You act as if sex is something that can't be avoided, like you have no control over the matter.

    How about this, since there's now a job for everyone in America that wants one, these pills should be cheap, right? People need to stop thinking it is the governments job or responsibility to pay for everything especially so women can have sex. You want sex, use birth control pills condoms, IUD's, morning after pill which is $15 , keep your legs closed or if all else fails give the child to couples that can't have children who would be thrilled to have them. Anything rather than expect taxpayers to pay for your good times or an abortion which not only hits them in the pocket which is ludicrous, but also makes them a participant in the baby's death as well...albeit unwillingly.
     
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    What ever you need to tell yourself. Infant, child, baby.
     
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    And pull out and cycle prevention?
     
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    When you're dealing with people who have heard all the arguments and refuse to see it any way other than their own way, and also when their own way involves forcing people to do things with their bodies against their own will, discussion becomes meaningless. All that is left is animosity and confrontation. Hence, shove it.

    No matter how civil a discussion is, it is utterly pointless if nobody participating will allow themselves to be moved off their starting point. Thus, **** you your kind will die before mine. Ill wait.

    I do wonder what the look on your face will be like when you realize liberals aren't going anywhere, the democratic party isn't self destructing, and republicans don't actually have a mandate from the American people do do whatever they wish.

    That said, feminism will never become true equality. The world is too malicious and selfish for it to ever work that way. Feminism will achieve female supremacy, and then be violently rejected, causing the pendulum to swing wildly in the other direction as humans show that their reactionary nature is their strongest trait. What follows will not be gender equality but a series of societal undulations as one gender gains supremacy and importance over the other over and over again into eternity. All because humans cant help but knee-jerk about everything and are incapable of internalizing the realization that equal doesn't mean identical when it comes to the sexes.

    As to your idea, I have thought such a thing in the past. The only reservation I have about it is that while a woman can abort a baby, there is still a physical and emotional penalty she has to pay. If a man were to opt out of custody and obligation he would be getting away with literally no consequences and that is not equal. I think if we give men the option to back out of fatherhood from a legal standpoint there should be a financial obligation attached in case the mother wants to deliver the child.
     
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    I called them out on this they posted a picture of a doll lol as if it were a perfectly formed full term baby but only miniature HAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAJAJ

    12 weeks looks more like a fat snot rocket shot outa my nose. Lol
     
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    LOL Roe v Wade was already overturned, at least parts of it. The liberals forgot that segregation is also going to be brought back and woman are going to lose the vote. Why not just press all those hysteria buttons for the mindless lefties that are incapable of actually thinking for themselves. This is why they are losing politically.
     
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    There isn't enough data in that statement to do the math. You have left out far, far too many variables.

    Furthermore, you seem unaware that the statistic "98% effective" means that if it is used properly, a woman has a 98% chance of not getting pregnant over the course of an entire year. It's not 98% for each time they have intercourse.
     
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    No. You treat it like any other crime. If there is probable cause, you investigate. You find the providers and you shut them down. You don't go after a woman who has lost a child, you find the doctor who is providing the abortions and go after them.
     
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    Never mind 12 weeks - most of these folks claim that a single human cell is a baby - or the equivalent of a baby.

    Often the justification for this claim is repeating the premise "Its a baby - its a baby" over and over like some zombie religious cult member in a trance.

    The "more complex" justifications most often involve fallacious nonsense and obfuscation of language such as "Its human life" .... well of course it is human life nitwit - a heart cell is "human life" .. as is a "sperm" .. this doesn't make it a baby.

    Upon explaining this obvious fact to the adherent - they then go back to premise repetition "Its a baby .. its a baby" or the other classic nonsensical fallacy "prove its not a baby" as if repeating this constitutes proof of claim.
     
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    WHuh whuh huhhhhhhh? Are you honestly suggesting that 200 million Americans are having sex 365 times a year??!?!?

    I'll put you as another one in the bucket of people who don't understand that contraception effectiveness rates are calculated over the course of an entire year and not for each instance of intercourse.
     
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    The bold is the point I am going to focus on cause the rest is a straw man. It IS a baby, just like everyone else in the entirety of human history was called a baby at that stage. Its because of the pro-abortion enthusiasts and eugenics grifters that has you believing its just a fetus or that its the same as a sperm or heart cell. You have dehumanized it from being a full human down to a "clump of cells" who don't have the right to life. The left are the masters of changing the meanings of words. We have words like "liberal" which once meant individual rights, and complete open market to standing for those who stand for shutting down speakers they don't agree with and pushing for socialism. Hell, the baby in the womb is victim of murder if it dies from the mother being beaten, but not when the mother has it vacuumed out and killed by a doctor.
     
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    If you can't differentiate between skin cells and a human life, then your problems go far beyond anything that can be resolved here.

    There are no "accidental" pregnancies, anymore than there are accidental gambling losses. If you don't want to risk a gambling loss, don't gamble; and if you do incur a gambling loss, it's no one's responsibility but your own. Your problem is not that others don't want to take responsibility, it's that you don't want to take responsibility. You, not others, are your own worst problem.
     
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    The bottom line is no matter which side of the aisle you're on, how you feel about abortion and taking life, or at what stage the egg becomes a fetus where a life is at stake, everyone should be incensed they're being FORCED to pay for someone to have sex.

    The entire concept is ludicrous. Sex is not something everyone needs to survive. It's for enjoyment and procreation. If you don't want a child, and are doing it just for the enjoyment, get a job and pay for the right to do that, don't expect taxpayers to fund your play times. Maybe we should also buy you a night in a penthouse suite with a heart shape bed, some champagne, candles, aphrodisiacs and plenty of Viagra too?
     
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    If that's the case then why are you trying to fight it? Let whatever happens happen. Shouldn't be a big deal to you.
     
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    And that's just me!
     
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    Overturning Roe would not make abortion illegal. How much do you actually know about this?
     
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    I don't think they understand that our issue isn't with birth control or safe sex methods, it's about not aborting a child with a heartbeat. They're so high strung and hellbent on hatred that they jump to conclusions before the second sentence in the OP is read.
     
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    Never ran into one. How many have you ran into?
     
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