Keeping Their Voters Stupid Keeps Republicans Elected

You were already paying for the healthcare of the uninsured, just in the most inefficient way possible. Now if you want to support a law that says it is illegal to provide any healthcare to anyone who cannot pay for it that would be an interesting alternative.

 

So you don't think your taxes are paying for the Coast Guard?

 

Fair enough. Yes, I do believe she is a Lady. Most, not all, posters here that have a picture of a woman as their Avatar can be assumed to be a Lady.

 

I vote for what I think is best for the country, not best fir me personally. To many selfish self centered people are dragging this country down. If we had to vote tomorrow on a referendum to hand every American a million bucks, I would vote against it.

Call that stupid if you like, most likely you're the problem.

 

The right doesn't worship billionaires, the worship the right to become a billionaire without people stealing that wealth by using the strong arm of government and acting like that makes it ok.

 

Agree. Either people are insured and we do not have to pay for their treatment through higher prices or they get no service unless they pay up front. We may not like it but insurance is the only way to avoid having to pay the huge amounts many procedures and care can cost. Next time you or one of your family go to the doctor or hospital look and see what was actually charged, not just what you may owe, the numbers are shocking and anyone that believes they can simply pay them is not thinking straight. One of the most common, if not the most common, reason for people to file for bankruptcy is due to medical bills that far exceed their ability to pay and many of those even had insurance coverage, which only pays so much in costs.

 

Is that why they ALWAYS back Big Business and the Ubber-Rich when it comes to any legislation and regulations that require a company to keep their manufacturing waste to a minimum so as to keep the environment clean, is that why they back every tax cut suggested or in place for the rich even at the cost of shutting down the government? You can deny it all you wish but there is a long track record of Cons supporting their masters even so far as to harm the Nation itself. No one is against people being able to make a lot of money, and most simply want everyone to pay their fair share, true some States, California is one example, where they have gone too far in taxing the rich, but the reality is that is simply not the norm across the Nation. You may disagree but I find it interesting that whenever some says that we should all go to a flat tax with no deductions or loopholes for both individuals and businesses the right fight against it as hard as the left that says it is unfair to the poor, the reason is big business and the rich would then actually have top pay their taxes. There is an entire industry that is dedicated to finding creative ways to hide income and avoid paying taxes and guess who uses it the most often, it is not the poor or middleclass it is the rich.

 

The claim was "buy", not fund via taxes.

It's all ridiculous BS, but it was the claim. See below:

 

No, what I want is to support a law that would make it illegal for government to force you under threat of penalty to buy whatever they tell you to buy. This isn't about healthcare at all, it's about them setting a future precedence where now they can make you purchase whatever they tell you.

 

I have a dude and a dudette in mine - how do you know which one is me?

 

Unless you can perform some real fancy moves you are the Dude in the pic, plus I cheat and look at peoples personal pages and most will state it there. I would also add there is another pic of you there, we assume hard at work. I will add that if the Dudette is yours, ya done well, very well indeed, my compliments.

 

Again I agree, but that exit passed long ago when they did the same with auto insurance, something few complained about. As I have said many times, the eventual result will for us all to be covered under the same sort of system used in Europe, we will go through the current method and it will prove to not do the job and we may even go through something different that the Repubs may come up with, but in the end we will end up in a single-payer system because out of all the methods tried it still does work best for the majority of people and that is the entire point, we may go to it kicking and screaming but go there we will.

 

I get what you're saying but I'm just concerned about the slippery slope you hear so much about. Now they can start, where will it end?

 

As I said, it had already started years ago, and ACA was simply another step down that slope. In the end everyone will be paying into a system that covers healthcare, kinda like SS or Medicare is done now. That does not scare me half as much as how that same power can be abused in other ways, give the government an inch, as if they need our permission, and they will take a mile, it may be an inch at a time but sooner or later they will get that mile.

 

Agreed.

 

Cheater!

Sadly, I cannot say that the dudette is mine.

 

You mean National Defense, one of the things Government is supposed to do?

 

Categorically and demonstratively false. Before the ACA there was a significant portion of the US population that could not buy health care insurance at any price. I'm married to one. There was no choice. As soon as my wife was diagnosed with MS her Insurance Company refused to renew her policy. No one else would sell to her citing pre-existing conditions and claiming any subsequent health problems she might develop could be related to MS. It was an outrageous claim, but it passed the legal tests.

As soon as the ACA kicked in, a wide variety of plans became available to her. We picked one that covers both her MRIs and her prescriptions. It has changed her life and we will be eternally grateful for that change in law. Our insurance certainly isn't free, but it's far better than fighting the disease out of your own pocket.

 

While I agree with you in general, you can't just look at billing prices. Your insurance, even if you have Medicare, only pays 10 to 15 cents on the dollar. If you don't have insurance, you can usually get a very significant reduction in price if you work with the provider. The huge billing price is a nice accounting trick to let providers show how much they are writing off. Of course you still need the means to pay the reduced price which can run into some impressive numbers.

 

Why because I actually know something about using smallest units of measurement and random samples to get accurate results?

 

If Republicans are so stupid, then why are Democrats imitating them?

 

Good point and good question. Excellent point in fact. The answer to this question is both long and complicated.

I am not sure if you are much interested in the answer so I will give you the shortest version I can muster.

Both the Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same team. There are slight differences in social policy (for the entertainment of the ignorant raging masses) but they serve the same Master.

They both serve the Oligopolies and it is the interests of the Oligopolies that they are protecting and not the interests of the electorate.

The only hope we have of changing this is to vote independent. Stupid republicans need to stop voting republican and stupid democrats need to stop voting democrat.

 

Environmental concerns are noble within reason.

I don't think you will find many conservatives opposed to legislation that reasonably protects the environment.

The rich already pay the lions share of taxes. Additional increases advocated have nothing to do with running the government and everything to do with efforts to redistribute wealth using taxation as the means to the desired ends.

There is also a long history of people using cheap talking points to attempt to validate their unreasonable hatred of wealth. This is a prime example.

Oh yes there is.

Our progressive tax system and constant attack on the wealthy screams of the desire to limit wealth or redistribute it.

Ones pay has nothing to do with another person's wealth. How much an owner of a company makes had no bearing on the market wage of employees.

The federal income tax is the problem. Nearly half the nation pays no income tax while the top 10% pay 90 percent.

I'm an advocate of the flat tax.

Regardless of these shelters the fact remains that the top brackets pay the majority of taxes and the lower half of income earners pay very little.

 

Do you?




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Wouldn't it be refreshing to have a politician that actually spoke some principle instead of talking points. These debates are pointless when all they do is dribble talking points.