Let's study the islamic scriptures and the life of Muhammed together.

If it was more prone, than the amount of terrorists would be bigger than something like 0,05% of the population.

And there are plenty of educated western Muslims who hop over to join ISIS.
It has nothing to do with uneducated. Besides that,.. I do believe every Muslim has some form of education.
Their illiteracy rate isn't like 20%. And even if it was.
It doesn't mean they are stupid.

 

[QUOTE="notme, post: 1068103179, member: 64101"]Beating your wife/girlfriend is a favorite pass time all over the world, and Christians and Jews are no stranger to it. And if the west is such a bastion of civilization. Do note that they have raged war in 2 countries for the sole reason for regime changed. The carnage those Jews and Christians committed dwarfs what a terrorist did.


So you hate muslims fis directed towards muslim. If it was up to you, you would purge your catholic neighbor out of the country that you have known for 40 years, the second he converts.


I showed you, that slavery and wife beating, as you claimed,... not in the quran. Far from it.
What you did, is check hate your sites. Trust them. And than get taught you're wrong
from your random anonymous internet poster.[/QUOTE]


That shows your hateful mindset right there. Beating a person seen as a "popular pass time?"

Only one raised in a criminally evil culture could think like this.

 

If they are all on the same level as you, they would not pass as intelligent in the West.

 

Thank goodness. If terrorists were coming from a country like Japan they could probably do a lot of damage but fortunately the average ones coming from that part of the world aren't that bright.
Which is why they've resorted to running people over in France and stabbing them with knives.

 

Jewish guys used to marry 3 year-olds. And the age of consent used to be 7 in America. Twelve year-olds get married in America today.

 

Many yes.
To begin, one is my former girlfriend who had to flee a violent husband, another relative of my family (non muslim) who divorced from a muslim husband because he was violent, one former muslim woman.

The favorite hobbie of muslims when I speak with them, they don't condemn terrorism, and everytime, they put things in perspective. Sorry, I won't accept that two women barely out of childhood to be slaughtered in Marseille because an american president in Washington was a dick.

Not because I hate him personnaly. I consider Islam as a threat as a whole, I don't have something against any muslims, but as a community they represent a threat to every non muslim however I hope that a lot of muslims would prefer to renounce to their religion rather leave, even if I suspect some Taqiyah.

You didn't show anything. You quoted another passage where it was written that the husband should be kind to their wives, it don't erase the passage in Surate 4 verse 34 where it's written "strike" them about disobedient wives.

I have to admit that in the evil, Muhammed tend to limit it. There is a hadith were he sentence morally people who punch too much of their women, however a lesser evil, if better than a greater evil is still evil.

The "hate" sites are just a compilation of the worst verses. They don't lie, they sometimes don't select the best translation, that's why I go check on muslim websites other translations, and now so you can't say it's wrong because it come from a "hate" site, I quote from muslim sites.

 

Islam have a lot of common with both judaism and christianism, because they were a lot of jews and christian where Muhammed lived.

 

I will try to answer to those questions the next week with extracts of the noble quran or hadith :
Does the quran let muslims have non muslim friends ?
Why some muslims won't salute you first ?
Does the quran let muslim being totally citizen of a non muslim country ?
What may happen to muslims who want to stop being muslims ?
Did Muhammed appreciate criticism ?

I hope that @Margot2 and @notme would be here, because I don't like debate without contradiction, even when it's not convincefull.

 

True active terrorists are a minority, the people who will support that ideology the passive fundamentalists are far higher in some cases using just Sharia Law as being desired by any group of Muslims raising hand can be over half and in many nations its a majority position, now out of that take out 20% and apply that to all Muslims your looking at the population of the USA being if not terrorists able to passively support their ideology to a degree. Then take out 0.05% of them and you get the terrorists proper. Then explain governments Saudi Arabia will not consider Atheists as terrorists and will treat them as such to me that means its a terror state who using the club of their brand of religion and refuses any other counter view and they are not alone Iran, many African nations and even parts of Indonesia I would be putting my life at risk being openly skeptical of Islam. This is a case Torah and Christianity grew out of that level of full barbarism and Islam hasn't by a long shot especially theocratic governments, secular ones at least tend to maintain their own laws and rights for differing views some more than others.

As for them being stupid I never said they were but ill informed as to the Koran through the lens of whatever Imam is teaching them, and so its a case of how the Koran is spun it can be bad, or good or indifferent centrism. But its no worse than any Sunday Christian who don't read the Bible and if they do never question it much.

 

If I had to recommend some good critics of Islam, I would recommend Brother Racheed. Globally former muslims are the best when it come to criticize Islam, because they tell how leaving Islam improved their life, they have for some of them an extremly good knowledge of Islam they can use to show the horror of Islam.

But why Brother Racheed is the best ? Because at the opposite of me, he is not hatefull and it is his great strengh. He maybe not go as much in depth than other former muslims, but he don't let hatred blind him. The hatred of former muslims is justified, leaving Islam mean often facing violence.

I had to pray for the rohingyas, not because I hoped a magical result for them, but I just prayed so my hatred won't blind me.

However, even if I'm hatefull, I would always base my opinion on logic. I hated something else as much as Islam, I could get rid of my hatred, my opinion of that didn't improved however.

 

There's fundamentalism and literalism in all religions. It's probably part of human nature. Although I'm not religious I prefer more reasoned interpretations of texts and certainly a more contemporary view of religion. I think religion develops for the most part, becomes more enlightened. You only have to look at Christianity to see that it has come a long way since its inception and its later intersection with politics. It's actually quite nice now, although there are still some strains which are back in the Dark Ages. Islam is no different I would think. It has its progressive and its fundamentalist types as well.

 

I want to do the math there are 2.18 Billion Muslims in the world.
http://muslimpopulation.com/World/

Okay lets use common sense and assume a third are literalist fundamentally focused Muslims and the rest moderate or more liberal branches that is 706 million now take 0.05% the number stated as the radicalized element of that this is terrorism or people who will be supportive of terrorism as a legitimate deal that would be 35,300,000 violent elements either who are Imams, the support system or the actual active radical elements out to undermine enemies of Islam.

That would be the entire population of a country such as Canada and bigger than the population of North Korea so is that a small problem if say 0.05% of those each year will blow themselves up, shoot people or otherwise do harm to the world that is over 1.5 million killers or likely killers and they replenish their ranks it seems overall quite well.

So radical Islam using the Koran as a basis is not a small problem.

Now as for the bad verses its not the moderate and liberal approaches that concern me its the fundamentalist one that breeds it seems the problem the bottom third of the Muslims unless you can demonstrate my common sense approach is wrong but it seems to be a reasonable approach favoring less radicalization. Triple the numbers if your using all Muslims with the 0.5% number that is a very much bigger issue.

 

The quran is extremly violent at the opposite of the new testament.

 

I'm stating a fact of life.

 

It doesn't make it forgivable to advocate it..

Furthermore, women are not beating at the same rate everywhere in the world, in some region of world, it's doesn't seem to worry a lot of people.

 

Can you prove this?

This has a word what you got. Its Islamophobia.
Islamophobia is defined as "Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Uh, no. You got your version and that contradict itself, according to you. But you are no scholar.
The scholars say they do not contradict, because you got the wrong translation.
https://www.islamicity.org/11451/quran-strikes-out-wife-beating/

Hates sites are typical. They expect islamophobes to come up with their own interpretation of a 1 line translated in to English, without any context. Unlike a site like mine, that does come with context, and rips your world apart.

 

Being supportive of Sharia law, is in no way at all being anywhere of being a terrorist.
Heck... Saudi Arabia, with their Sharia law,.. fight terrorism.

 

I said I stated a fact. I don't advocate it. Besides, who are you to comment on that if I did? You support war criminal thugs.

 

Which you describe as "a popular pass time."

It may be a fact of life in your society--but in the West it is a criminal offense.

 

I won't quote the whole historic of all of my discussion with muslims for your pleasure. I noticed that very few muslim condemn the act of terrorism and murder in name of Islam, they prefer to change the topic and start to speak on how jews and christians are evil/

Congratulations Einstein, by the way I'm totally islamophobic. At least I'm not hypocrital, at the opposite of many muslims who hate deeply jews, christians and every non muslims but faint to not.

Guess what ? I know a guy whot got a Ph.D in muslim theology who disagree with you : Abu Bark Al Baghdadi.
You select the scholars you prefer when many muslim scholars disagree with you, even non djihadist one.
Furthermore, your link is full of lies. The verb daraba used in the surate 4 verse 34 is not used only once time in the quran. Your "scholars" invent a new definition : "separate". Let's consult the other verses using the verb daraba in the quran, by the way, I will quote from the hate site quran.com :

https://quran.com/37/93
And he turned upon them a blow with [his] right hand.

https://quran.com/47/4
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

https://quran.com/47/27
Then how [will it be] when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs

Even if you don't speak arabic, you can still compare the words. The website quran show the translation word by word. We can notice that daraba is systematically used in the meaning of physical harm, but suddently, this verb should be understand with a totally different sense it's used in the rest of the quran. That's a traditionnal strategy of muslims. I don't know if they lie to try to propagate the quran (takiya) or if they wish so hard to not see the true face of quran they become delusionnal.

Furthermore, the link you give that some women were direspectfull to their husband, and muslims so eager to give a context when it can favor their opinion miss to recall a very important context : a lot of those women were prisonner of war forced to marry muslims, who sometimes killed their fathers and brothers.

You pretend that you need the context to understand the quran, the quran say otherwise :
https://quran.com/6/38
And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.

In the end, an hadith muslim (so the second most considered gathering of hadith after the hadith al bukari ) report :
Aicha said : He struck me on the chest which caused me pain
http://www.hadithcollection.com/sah...sahih-muslim-book-004-hadith-number-2127.html

At the opposite, your website don't mention where the hadith they quote come from. Are they maqtu ?

The all mighty Allah didn't forget any context, if an order was specific only in some context, Allah would have said it, or Allah didn't precised that many of his orders are valid in a specific context. Your contextual read of the quran don't work.

Don't worry, I check many different translations in two different languages. Furthermore, I check the traduction systematically on quran.com and other muslim websites. So even the muslim websites are unable to translate correctly their holy book ? Your argument is totally false, I refer systematically to quran.com. Probably a hate site. You can even find different translations on quran.com

Your context doesn't justify your crimes.

Yes and 90 % of saudi population think that ISIS is conform to islamic values. If someone support shariah law, they're ready to betray the non islamic country who welcome them.
Despite being a rather few populated country (30 millions), around 4000 saudis fighter joined ISIS. Saudi pilots who striked ISIS faced death threats. From the sha'riah supporter to the terrorist, there is only a tiny step.

No, I'm for the expulsion of muslims however I already wrote that I think that burmese generals should go on a tribunal for the murder of non combatant and rape of women. I don't support the burmese generals.

At the opposite of you, I condemned the murder of muslims. I never saw you condemning the murder of non muslim.

Furthermore, you don't seems to be moved by the death of all muslims, hundred if not thousands of shia muslims die in Yemen, you never mention them. Does the life of non yemenite people matters ?

 

No its not.. The rules of defensive warfare are positively enlightened compared to the OT.

 

The Saudis HATE ISIS.. ISIS has carried out over 20 suicide bombings in the kingdom.

You don't know anything about Yemen either. The war has NOTHING to do with Shia..

 

They hate it so much that most tweets pro ISIS come from Saudi and than 4000 of them joined ISIS.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/pol...amilies-refuse-condolences-isis-position.html

Such hate.

I'm speaking about the new testament, you speak of the old testament.

 

Al Monitor? Are you kidding me.. Just yesterday there was another gun battle with an ISIS cell in the kingdom.

You never answered me as to how many Muslim women you know.. Remember yesterday when you were telling us all what they think?

 

I answered you.
One of my ex gf who had to flee her husband because he was violent, she was very distant with her religion.
One friend, she is a lovely woman, she is non veiled and very respectfull. I doubt that kindness is related with her religion, she is just a good personn.
Two other friends who left Islam.

So four people as friends, I know many other former muslims but we're not close.

The Saudi governement fight ISIS, the population however is not that hostile to ISIS. There is already a huge difference between an elected governement and a people, so when the governement is not elected... (You don't need to tell me about the assemblee in Saudi Arabia).