MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS BELIEVE TRUMP IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS WILL FAIL

I haven't watched any of the impeachment hearings. I don't plan to. It's a foregone conclusion. The House will impeach, draw up the articles of impeachment, pass them and sent them to the Senate. The Trial will take place, pretty much along party party lines Trump will be acquitted.

We know the results already. The only questions left to be answered is, will two Democratic Senators vote to acquit as I suspect they might, how many GOP senators will vote guilty on the impeachment articles, 4 or 5? So until the vote takes place in the senate, you might as well watch something you enjoy. Watching last years super bowl has more suspense and thrills than this. We pretty much know the final score on each.

 

Although I generally agree, Im curious if dems will get polling data that shows public sentiment going against them-and still continue the sham.

 

I don't know which way public sentiment is going on this. There's two ways to tell the effect of the impeachment hearings on the public. One is to compare Trump's approval rating to his approval rating once the hearings end or once the trail is over. But keep this as a starting point. 43.9% on 13 Nov 2019 approval per RCP averages.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html


Number two is to keep track of Trump's impeachment and removal numbers.


Democrats for impeachment 82%, removal 81%

Republicans for impeachment 12%, removal 11%

Independents for impeachment 36% removal 37%


If you like you can add the do not impeach and the do not remove numbers. But to see the total effect, you have to have a starting point.


Democrats against impeachment 6%, removal 8%

Republicans against impeachment 80%, removal 82%

Independents against impeachment 39%, removal 38%

Those are your starting numbers. I think it will take a week or two before we see any real movement. A lot in my opinion depends on how independents view this thing. As a quest for truth, justice or as a political vendetta. They could go either way or basically just stay right where they are.
Questions 15 and 16


https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/7umtlf80ov/econTabReport.pdf


These are your starting point numbers. Keep them and compare as time goes by. Numbers are a beautiful way to show how the public is reacting. They aren't bias or partisan.

 

Thanks for that document. Interesting to me that over 2/3's of african americans wan't trump impeached.

I wish that was broken down by sex, AA females are the most ardent pro-democrat group.

 

Actually, 2/3rds of blacks wanting impeachment isn't bad. Consider they usually vote Democratic 90% plus for the Democratic candidate. 67% of blacks want impeachment, while 82% of all Democrats want impeachment. This means among white democrats, they want impeachment above the 82% mark, perhaps 90%? You also have 14% of blacks who don't want Trump impeached vs only 6% for all democrats.

I suppose one can read into that, that white Democrats are much more avid impeachers than blacks. Perhaps 90% vs. 67%. Although 67% isn't a number to dismiss out of hand. There's other differences between white and black Democrats when it comes to the primaries. Biden has the support of 40% of black Democrats vs. 18% among white democrats. Warren on the other hand has 19% support among blacks while having 30% among white Democrats. Now that is quite a difference between the races that make up the democratic party. To be fair, Sanders is at 12% among blacks, 18% among white Democrats.

This may mean in states with a large black population, Biden wins them. States with mostly whites, Warren wins. Where this leaves Sanders, probably the third candidate out. Then don't forget Hispanics, 24% support Biden, 20% support Sanders, 16% Warren. Seems among those three, Warren isn't very much attractive to minority voters, her support is basically white.

A little known fact, Sanders edged out Hillary among white Democratic primary voters, but Hillary trounced him among black Democratic voters a little better than 3-1.

 

There are plenty more witnesses who'll confirm what the democrats are alluding to over the next few weeks that have to testify. So we shall see.

Either way If that were to happen, the one thing it will do is guarantee that he will go down in history as the first republican impeached in the House and that stain will stay with him and his history record in American history permanently.

 

Go for it, I think it will be remembered as a petty and overtly partisan move by inept top dems.

 

Good, we'll go for it.

 

He will run vindicated in 2020 !

 

Not only vindicated, but with galvanized support from not just his base, but swing state voters (who see this as a sham), and with record campaign funding no less.

 

I don't know where you go to get your news, though I suspect Fox News Propaganda Station. I suggest you listen to the public testimonies by these professional State Dept workers, & decide for yourself, rather than letting Fox News (or whatever highly prejudiced source you're watching) decide for you. This is a historic moment for America in many respects, including the fact that dependable neutral news is so hard to come by, & those sources we have, all have their own agenda. But the public telecasts can't hide what's happening there live for you to witness & analyze on your own. The truth is all there for you to see, without any newscaster distorting it.

 

What have they testified to?

Their opinions and feelings.

 

I think you just proved that democrats and those on the left are more in tuned with reality is all. First of all, most people, democrats included, confuse impeachment with removal from office. The two are separate processes when it comes to the President.

We all know that if the Senate remains in republican hands, they won't remove him from office. However, impeachment happens with a majority house vote. So unless the house flips, which is very unlikely, I do think he will be impeached but not convicted and removed by the senate. That is the most likely outcome in my opinion.

The real question is can he get re-elected in 2020? I think it's at best a fifty-fifty toss up at this point. The impeachment bounce back of not being removed from office won't happen immediately. What will be fresh is the damaging testimony that shows Trump feels he can do whatever he wants, which isn't a top quality/ideal Americans want in a president. Frankly, if the GOP wants to hold the White House, they should remove Trump and put Haley and Pence on the ticket instead. Doesn't matter whose at the top in that scenario.

 

Doubtful. The only way he's going to enjoy any sort of bump from this is IF he gets re-elected. Even then, he'll still be Donald Trump. He may feel so emboldened by it he really screws up. This is a man who managed to bankrupt casinos. So anything is possible.

 

Yet a new charge today of the Dirty Donald RNC selling ambassadorships to the highest bidder???

 

Wrong. Ambassador Taylor came into the hearings with a detailed set of notes made by him at the times of the actions in question. They weren't just "feelings" or "opinions." They were written, tangible traceable, reproducible facts. Many of the other testimonies also have email or other written backup evidence to support them. Trump committed extortion against the President of Ukraine. Extortion is a crime & is an impeachable offense. You Trumpsters can lose Trump & still have Pence in the White House. Trump is a crook. Let him go.

 

There is evidence as to what occurred.

That what occurred is being called [insert charge of the day here] is opinion.

 

Trump FORCED President Zelensky to comply with his demands against Zelensky's wishes. Forcing someone to do your bidding against their will is called extortion. Extortion is a crime. That's a FACT, not an opinion. Trump committed extortion. That makes him unfit for office. FACT.

 

What action was forced?

What was the force?

 

I think most Americans know that Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi are liars and what they are doing is akin to a coup attempt over an election they lost and still can't get over.

Trump will win 2020 and then Democrats will launch new attacks and hoaxes designed to destroy the President. At some point, it will become treason.

Let's hope for the sake of all Americans, Trump wins and the Democrats start working to help the country and move us forward, rather than attempt to overturn the election results of a duly elected President.

Then we can look forward to Nikki Haily in 2024 if Pence decides not to run or she can be VP and a future President. She should be America's first female President and is by far more qualified than any other candidate we have seen in a long time.

 

Sorry, you mean Biden extorted Ukraine to keep his son from being investigated and for keeping millions of dollars rolling into his son's bank account.

On a side note, I wonder if Hunter used a lot of that cash to purchase coke and other drugs.

 

1. Two actions were forced onto Zelensky by Trump. 1) Zelensky was forced to agree to try & find more dirt on the Bidens; & 2) Zelensky was forced by Trump to agree to start a new investigation aimed at clearing Russia of blame for interference in the American election of 2016, & transferring that blame from Russia to Ukraine. Trump wanted to help his hero Putin with this.
2. The force was the military aid approved by Congress but controlled by Trump. That aid was Trump's lever of power over Zelensky.
3. This act of extortion by Trump not only abused the power of the Presidency, it placed the U.S. into a more vulnerable position in relation to American resistance to Russian aggression. Ukraine has lost over 11,000 men in battle against the Russian invasion of their homeland. Ukraine is fighting Russian aggression for themselves & FOR US. When they fight & die, they are doing the U.S. a big favor. When Trump interferes with that process, he increases the likelihood that the U.S. will eventually be forced to fight the Russians themselves. Trump eroded our security blanket with the Ukraines. Trump swore an oath to protect the U.S., but his affinity for Putin & anything Russian, keeps leading him to do things that benefit Russia rather than the U.S. Ukraine is just another example.

 

Wrong. Several investigations carried out in America & at least one carried out in Ukraine, all agree that VP Biden helped Ukraine focus more intensely on their investigations into Buringa rather than less. Your post is erroneous.

 

You just made that up.

 

"1. Two actions were forced onto Zelensky by Trump. 1) Zelensky was forced to agree to try & find more dirt on the Bidens; & 2) Zelensky was forced by Trump to agree to start a new investigation aimed at clearing Russia of blame for interference in the American election of 2016, & transferring that blame from Russia to Ukraine. Trump wanted to help his hero Putin with this."

You gave me no actual act, backed it up with conjecture, then followed with a conspiracy theory.

Why should I read the rest?