MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS BELIEVE TRUMP IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS WILL FAIL

Even if that poll is real, so what? Public opinion has no bearing on facts.

 

I actually disagree. I think many democrats that are hanging onto their seat will take the high road and not vote to impeach, leaving the articles of impeachment short on votes

 

Left over from the Obama years no doubt. You must have bought 50 gallon barrels of it. will it help you cope if Biden gets the nod?

 

His own admission that he tried to pressure the country to aid his personal lawyer in said investigation meddling.

I agree that there is little chance the Senate will hold him accountable for his actions, but I don't blame the House for doing their job anyway.

 

Trump never admitted such a thing.

 

Please provide evidence of such a claim, please.

 

Read the transcript. Then check out Giuliani's own public comments.

The transcript shows Trump pressuring Ukraine for the investigation. Trump's personal attorney has admitted on national television that this was investigation "meddling" (his word) for his client's personal interests.

As per usual, Trump and his most loyal followers have a vested interest in, and their primary mode of argument depends on, "alternative facts" and "truth isn't truth." They have nothing else.

 

See post #107.

 

Great.

Go ahead and set a new standard. That always works out well for the left.

 

It's been moving right along for almost three tears. I remember Schiff saying he had absolute evidence of "collusion". You resistance always find a "new gig". Can you keep this up for five more years? Will the Fake News Media survive? These are questions that will need to be answered.

 

It will fail for one reason, that being that Senate Republicans will have the final say and because they place loyalty to party over loyalty to country they will give Trump a pass on something that if a Democrat did they would have firmly stood against. Senate Republicans came to a conclusion as to the guilt or innocence of Trump the day the House Democrats began the impeachment investigation.

Justice will not be served by partisans policing partisans. It is akin to the lunatics running the insane asylum.

 

He was talking about the Trump Tower meeting, which is indeed absolute evidence of an attempt at said collusion at least. We know for sure that they attempted to do exactly what they were accused of.

 

A week ago I would have agreed, now I am not so sure. This investigation is moving very fast and more and more witnesses to wrongdoing seem to emerge daily. The first three witnesses painted a broad picture of corruption at the highest levels in both Ukraine and the "three amigos." Tomorrow Security State Department and personnel will begin testimony. At least two have direct knowledge of the call of interest and direct testimony of yet another call has emerged.

Elements of the Mueller Report are beginning to show. This opens seemingly endless avenues of corruption and criminal activity. Things are getting hot enough that Trump is considering testifying. That seems like an impossibility and staffers will try to chain Trump to his desk. But when has trump listened to anyone? Without a doubt, Trump would lie and that would seal the deal. The Democrat's legal consul is incredibly effective. This week will be interesting.

 

I agree that it is virtually a guarantee that if Trump testifies, he will lie, resulting in an impeachment count of lying to Congress, but I'm not sure that would "seal the deal." Republicans seem willing to tolerate nearly anything from this President.

 

The transcript does not show Trump pressuring Ukraine.

Stop making crap up!

 

Please try reading it. Trump talks about how the relationship hasn't been reciprocal and starts asking for favors in return for military aid ("though" is a conditional word, FYI).

Then, of course, we also have text messages from aides showing that they all knew that a public meeting was conditioned on "the deliverable." We'll probably have even more testimony about that this week.

 

The transcript doesn't show that at all. maybe you didn't read the right one. Post a copy of it and highlight the areas were he pressured Ukraine. Trump and Zelinsky deny any such thing.

 

Trump is the accused. His denial means nothing. Zelinsky was the one being pressured. Of course he would want to deny it. Reporting since then about communication between Ukrainians pokes holes in the "no pressure" balloon.

Try reading the transcript and also the text messages between aides, all of whom knew that a public meeting was conditioned on "the deliverable."

 

There seems to be a lot a talk today about the possibility of Sondland pleading the 5th.

But yeah, as you have pointed out, there is always the possibility of something (completely unexpected) that could topple this meticulously constructed Web of Lies.

 

No, I didn't. It's been reported on several major news networks, in depth. The Ukraine official VP Biden helped get rid of was fired because he was taking bribes from corrupt Ukraine businesses & stalling the legal inquiries into their finances by authorities. Biden was working for both Obama's State Dept & several countries in the EU, who also wanted that corrupt official fired. Biden did NOTHING to protect his son from any investigations.

 

Read the transcript. It proves nothing of what you claim.

 

Yes he did. We have the videotape.

 

You should make up your own mind, but you are missing some crucial information upon which to base that decision. Sad.

 

I have. And the text messages. I can't get my head far enough in the sand to ignore the obvious. Ukraine wanted a public meeting and military aid. Trump wanted two investigations. Everyone understands this.

 

Then you would and should know Ukraine was never pressured and Ukraine and Trump confirm it. You are just making up these talking points with no evidence at all.

You should read the transcript.