MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS BELIEVE TRUMP IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS WILL FAIL

No, we don't. Nowhere in the tape does he mention his son, and there is no evidence his son was even under investigation at the time.

Biden was pushing US policy. Trump was pushing personal gain.

 

I have. Several times. And the text message you have consistently run away from. Talk to me when you are willing to review the facts.

 

Yes, we do, it's posted all over this site. Biden intimidated and threatened Ukraine over his son being the target of an investigation.

That is clearly extortion and bribery. Biden better be indicted.

 

I have the transcript and it says or implies nothing of what you claim at all.

 

No, we don't. As with the transcript, it appears you haven't reviewed the video in question. Please do your homework. There is no evidence this was "over his son being the target of an investigation." There is no evidence his son even WAS the target of an investigation at the time. Please catch up.

 

Maybe try reading the actual thing instead of just blindly trusting what Trump tells you to believe about it.

 

I did read it and nowhere in the transcript does Trump did not pressure anybody.

Zelensky has publicly stated that he never felt pressured during the call and Zelensky publicly stated that he was unaware of the aid being frozen until after the call.

 

Yes we do, it's posted all over this site. Biden dealt in extortion to keep his coke snorting son from being investigated and prosecuted. A coke snorting military malcontent that was getting millions for doing nothing, because his Dad was VP.

 

You'd better listen to that tape again.
Here's a link to the truth: https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10...ndal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/

And here's a quote from that article:
"The accusation is that Biden blackmailed Ukraine’s new leaders into firing the country’s chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation he was leading into a Ukrainian gas company that the vice president’s son, Hunter, was paid to advise.
The truth, Kaleniuk said, is that Shokin was forced from office at Biden’s urging because he had failed to conduct thorough investigations of corruption, and had stifled efforts to investigate embezzlement and misconduct by public officials following the 2014 uprising."

Read the article. It will disagree with the Trump cult crap you're accustomed to reading, but it's the truth.

 

I did read it and you are wrong, completely wrong. There was no pressure at all. None. Confirmed by Ukraine (Zelinsky) as well.

 

No, he didn't. You should probably look into cult deprogramming councilors.

That was US policy at the time, Congress approved it, and most European nations had the same policy.

You're simply repeating untrue and fabricated nonsense from the Bonespurs book of stupid and dishonest tricks:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

"At the heart of Congress' probe into the president's actions is his claim that former Vice President and 2020 Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor in order to thwart an investigation into a company tied to his son, Hunter Biden.

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament."

 

You read nothing.

 

Biden intentionally threatened to withhold aid over his son being the target of an investigation.

I have seen the tape and read the timeline.

Biden is guilty of extortion and bribery.

"The controversy can be traced back to March 2014, when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula in Eastern Ukraine, setting off an international crisis. As the administration’s point-man on Ukraine, Biden led the U.S. response.

That April, Biden’s son, Hunter, was appointed to the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian natural gas company, despite lacking substantive experience working in Ukraine or the energy sector. He received compensation that was reportedly as high as $50,000 a month.

At the time, Burisma was seeking to build inroads to U.S. Democrats as it faced investigative scrutiny. The same month Hunter Biden joined Burisma, the U.K. government froze bank accounts that allegedly belonged to its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, as part of a money laundering investigation.

Two years later, Joe Biden successfully pressured the Ukrainian government to remove its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who was unpopular with Western leaders, threatening to withhold loan guarantees if it did not. At the time, Shokin's office had open probes of Burisma and Zlochevsky. Shokin’s successor closed the investigations."

That is QPQ and Joe Biden has a lot of explaining to do over this. It will sink his campaign for sure.

 

You really should read multiple sources on the same issue. Toshkin was removed because he was NOT investigating corruption, and in fact was corrupt himself.

Biden was one of numerous international officials who asked for him to be removed. But keep pushing debunked and factually void claims.

 

Trump denies extorting Zelensky because he doesn't want to lend credence to the impeachment hearings. Zelensky denies being extorted because he is worried Trump will survive impeachment & he'll have to continue working with Trump afterward. So, our evidence comes from our own remarkable foreign service professionals, known for their dedication to the U.S., & their willingness to face dangers & personal harm in its defense.

 

Trump denies it because it never happened. Zelinsky confirms it. Anything else is just made up by people inventing another hoax.

We do have Joe Biden on tape extorting Ukraine though.

 

Everyone with a brain & an open mind, understands this. Anyone who values truth over loyalty to despots, understands this.

 

QPQ. "Do this or we withhold billions. Oh, by the way, stop investigating my son and the company is on the board of." lol

Biden extorted Ukraine for billions to protect his son. Directly or indirectly.

 

Not sure of your point.

 

You really think so? One of the reasons Pelosi dragged her feet on making impeachment hearings official was she realized that 31 out of the 40 house seats the Democrats picked up in 2018 were in districts Trump won in 2016. The Republicans need a net gain of 19 seats. So there is a bit of danger in this impeachment thing for the Democrats. Unlike 2018 where the Republicans were defending the most seats, in 2020 it will be the Democrats having to defend the most seats.

 

Maybe you should call the "thought police". Even the Whistle blowers attorney suggested they would carry out a "coup" in one of his e-mails tears ago.

 

Like every other issue moved right along...

Like every other issue, when this is over you'll move right along to the next sham.

 

And 0% thinks he will win a second term.

 

People that look at the transcript and loudly decry "There was no pressure" clearly have never served around power and definitely not around Trump. They believe that because the transcript didn't contain the words, QPQ, or when you get the low down on the Bidens I'll send you the aid, exonerates Trump. To anyone in high level jobs, Trump's words went off like a siren -- 'Dig up dirt on the Biden's and then you'll get the dough.' Better yet, announce on CNN (CNN?) that your going full speed ahead on the Biden's.

The message was loud and clear, especially from Trump. I'll give Trump this, he uses the language of intimidated better than most. Quite artful really. I recognized the language and so did Ukraine. Don Corleone would have smiled.

 

Do you understand that there are a lot of us who also want these investigations?