Marvel and their poltically left ideology. *SPOILERS*

i'm sure that you, some guy who had communism badly explained to him in a social studies class once 20 years ago, have an authoritative opinion on why certain communist ideologies arent actually communist because it doesnt match your incredibly narrow worldview

 

I mean no disrespect when I say that this is the nerdiest post I've ever seen.

I'm just out of the loop though. Never saw any starwars (don't judge me!).

 

First, I'm not a guy. Second, I've lived on actual, working communes (have you? yeah ... though not). Third, I've studied working communism for 30 years. Fourth, I know several people who lived through the real deal, not your Limo Socialism. Fifth, I've lived an off-grid smallholder socialism for the past 20 years. If you don't know what that is, read up on your Nearing (don't know who Nearing is? yeah ... thought not).

Get back to me when you've done 30 years of catching up.

 

I'm amazed that someone can live through all of that and still know jack ****.

 

yes, because the soviet's versions of Hendrix, Janis, Elvis, Dylan, Cocker, Havens, Elvis, Michael, Prince and countless others were so transcendent ....

 

Code for "I don't like what you're saying about my beloved Cafe Communism, so I'm going to pretend it's nonsense. Harrumph"

You're very outgunned, Dear. You know it, I know it, Murray knows it. But if you are genuinely interested in actual communism, talk to me. I'm passionate about the subject, and always happy to talk about it with like-minded individuals.

 

Still beats DC movies

 

He's like our pet Commie, ain't he. Bless him

 

Must.......not.......judge.......

Lol jokes aside, I fully embrace my nerdiness and I’m actually much worse if I’m involved in a real in-depth SW discussion.

 

Marvel’s onslaught of $200 million dollar soap operas is not my cup of tea, though the movies are making bundles of cash so I don’t see the hypothesis that “appealing to SJWs” is burning a hole in their pocket.

The decrease in print sales can have many factors. Oversaturation of the market, lesser quality compared to the alternatives, along with a general decline in print media sales overall. Appealing to different demographics was likely a response to already falling sales as they tried to pull in different people.

 

Dude. I admitted to my chain of command that I watch the Bachelor...every couples days I go to my office someone leaves a rose on my desk.

So I'd take your star wars nerdieness over my horrible guilty pleasure any day

 

If the USSR was communist, than I am not a communist. I've argued this **** before. I'm not too interested in the semantics anymore. Ultimately, this argument comes down to people insisting that people who were influential with communist orgs were not communists, and I just don't have the patience for that ****.

Besides, I'm a syncretic ****er. My communism is explicitly anti-hegelian and not even 100% opposed to markets in themselves

 

Does that bike travel backwards?

 

Yeah nobody will watch Hollywood's s*** because they don't like the preachy nonsense that is made for the sole purpose of sending sjw messages. Movies like Iron Man are how they make their money but they don't like that. So they have to ruin everything.

 

Their readership is slumping because their reader base is more than 60% people over the age of 35. This means that, in some way, they failed to adapt their printed product to be appealing to the latest generations of kids. Its basically certain that the problem is with the fact that the product is not digital and still printed on a physical medium for sale. Kids born in or just before the era of smartphones do not have time for that ****.

This has the consequence of having their reader base being a bunch of people from a previous generation in terms of values. These same readers also are fanatics since they are still reading comic books in their 30s or older. In essence, Marvel is rewriting stories that their reader base already knows and loves - already thats a bad move since fans don't like you messing with their beloved heroes and stories. Even worse, the political ideology being featured in the new versions is not something as widely accepted or desirable to the 35+ crowd.

To put it simply, Marvel is marketing their printed material to a group of people that aren't even interested in checking it out, and the people that are checking it out are not liking the changes.

The MOVIES are a completely different story. They have found a way to make these movies a brilliant spectacle that draw people in even if they have never even heard of superheroes before. The movies have mass market appeal among almost all demographics. People will come in just to see the flashy lights and cool fight sequences. Most of the people who will pay for the movie don't even care a little bit about the SJW stuff. They just want something to distract themselves and their kids for a couple hours. Its the same principle behind the success of the abysmal Transformers movies.

Don't make the mistake of somehow equating a slump in Marvel readership with a slump in movie ticket sales. The two products are so different they might as well not even be related. Your rage at the new "SJW" leaning of the marvel stories means **** all in the movie universe where most people aren't even thinking about the social message or the changes they made to the original stories (since they don't even know about the original stories).

 

Most of them anyway. The animated DC movies, on the other hand are a lot better and seem to be DC's real strength, as well as their TV shows.

 

I disagree. Disney will force changes

 

There is clearly a market out there for fantacists yearning for a tabloid messiah, and not even Fox is sufficiently worshipful for them.

This is a publishing niche that Bam Bam Bannon should seriously consider.

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One of the biggest differences the MCU has over print, the charisma of the actors can over power the minor SJW points of the movies unlike print. Ive heard there are a ton of scenes where more adlibbing is going on than what a liberal writer put down on paper. In print, the characters come across heavily with the writers biases and agenda.

 

We don't even know what the basic summary of the Capt. Marvel will be about, other than it takes place in the 90s and its due out next year I believe. As far as Avengers 4 goes, sure she'll be a force to be reckoned with in the movies but not the only one landing punches on Thanos. Keep in mind the only person who's more than strong enough to take on Thanos right now is Thor.

 

The comics are suffering because print comics are suffering in general. The big successes are coming from more niche comics that lend themselves to bound collections, and if you browse a comic book store, you'll find the most successful titles are fairly "SJW" friendly: The Wicked + The Divine, Saga, etc. So, no, I doubt that politics are killing comics. Especially seeing as, for all of the alt-right butthurt, the movies are extremely successful, particularly the ones they complain about most, like Black Panther and Wonder Woman.

 

Also, remember it was only last year that Wonder Woman finally got a live-action movie by DC and it was successful. Marvel, on the other hand, has been throwing out box office hit after hit not just with well-known characters like Captain America and Iron Man, but even characters that are lesser known to casual readers like the Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man. Once those 2 became hits, it became clear nothing was off the table.

 

Black Panther was really good. I wouldn't put it on the same level as Winter Soldier, Homecoming or Ragnarok, but it may still be in the top 5 in my book. I'm betting Cap dies too. He's my favorite, but he's narratively overdue for the whole heroic self-sacrifice thing. I almost want to see him and Iron Man making amends at the last minute to both sacrifice themselves to save the rest of the team, maybe to bring the dusted ones back.

 

PST...SJWs had more problems with those movies than alt-right. I really didn't hear any alt-right org complaining. You had SJWs complaining about a black panther actor dating a white woman, so there was supposed to be a boycott. Feminists complained about WW's costume. They try to push the idea that WW should have an abortion.

 

Sure, but I think its because Capt Marvel was done shooting before the sale of Fox. Its the future thats in doubt.