Miami shooter's father says; "This has nothing to do with religion."

"I have not come to bring peace, but the sword"

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you're being silly if you think most Christains don't revere the Ten Commandments.

 

50 dead.. Most likely as an islamic Terrorist act and this forum is flooded now with people doing ALL THEY can to troll about Christians!

Dont you people have any ethics whatsoever?

 

he ronstar can read there minds he also is one of those STAR chamber judges LOL

 

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church—the official exposition of the Catholic Church's Christian beliefs—the Commandments are considered essential for spiritual good health and growth,[3] and serve as the basis for Catholic social justice.[4] A review of the Commandments is one of the most common types of examination of conscience used by Catholics before receiving the sacrament of Penance.

 

i counter you with using percentages LOGIC you counter my reply with emotions as painting me silly i got your trickery down path dude

 

no, I counter you with official Catholic teachings.

there are more than 1 billion Catholics, and they are sworn by faith to uphold Catholic teaching.

 

so your admitting your not in with connected to the real world public views and are souly getting your information through a official book?

 

Yes and yes.

But the truth is, old religious beliefs don't kill people, the adherance to those beliefs do!
It's a pretty lame argument that is being laughed at by most!

 

This is incoherence, your argument. You intentionally ignore that while the Jews used to live by their old laws, they stoned people for breaking certain laws, like adultery, homosexuality, they became civilized and joined the modern enlightened world and stopped doing it, and would think it was horrible today. That is not the case with fundamentalist conservative muslims, take Saudi Arabia for an example.

Really, when you try to compare apples to oranges, saying they are the same, its total incoherence in the thinking process. We have to respect and demand coherence. As a matter of principle. I invite you to join. Otherwise you are like Shiva the Destroyer, and you are destroying the principle of logic, reason, rationality, which is never a good thing to do. You become a Deciever, an enemy of logic, reason, rationality, which is essential and a GOOD.

 

Catholics are bound to follow the teachings of the Church.

 

Don't blame me because the authors of the NT decided to link Jesus to the OT via the Trinity. Jesus is the God who Moses speaks to in the burning bush. This is the card you Christians choose to hold when you have the faith. It's not my problem, it's yours.

 

Congressmen briefed on the attack are saying the suspect had made a declaration of loyalty to ISIS.

 

is the shooter dead?

 

In most forums that would be considered trolling. So watch were ya go with him.

One thing for sure, every time I get in a debate with the guy, I coincidentally get an infraction from a mod!

 

I'm an atheist and know better than that. The rules of conduct were changed in the new testament.

Matthew 5:
38"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.…

Ephesians 2
15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Hebrews 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Romans 10
4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

Romans 7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3
13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

Galatians 3 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

 

The Catholic Church still reveres the 10 Commandments.

 

Yep........

 

shame..

 

And the Charleston Church shooting didn't have a damn thing to do with the Confederate Flag or Racism

 

That's not entirely accurate. As long as adherence to the old religions exist, these types of actions can be expected because the old religious applaud such actions. You can't expect a Muslim to love homosexuality and still be a Muslim.

Now, we can demand that a Muslim not go shoot up a gay club, but theologically, he is more true to his faith for doing so. The issue, if we are to be a secular nation, is the old religions. I am all for returning to a Traditional America, but religion may no longer be a necessity for that to happen. The Patriarchy which I love so much can exist, and did exist, well before Christianity. We don't need religion - if anything, we are worse off for it in many ways.

 

grease there palms a little like me

 

I'm not aware of any sect of Christians that wont eat shellfish.

 

I'm agnostic and I don't disagree that the OT has commands in contrast to Jesus' teaching. That being said, no Christian can be a Christian and reject the major commandments and laws of the OT. Homosexuality, women speaking in church, working on the Sabbath, etc ... are all forbidden in the Bible. Jesus never said, "Love homosexuality." He clearly was in favor of marriage between a man and a woman. If Jesus is the God of the OT, though, he did command the death of homosexuals previously. That he changed his mind later is irrelevant because there is no clear rejection of the law.

 

Ron, are you a secular Jew (by culture) or do you really believe ?

 

i dont believe at all.

if God exists, its not the one as described in the Bible.