New Jersey professor responds to backlash after ‘F--- each and every Trump supporter’ comment

The latter of course.

But that's why she needed to THINK before she acted.

She has done & is doing enormous damage.

I presume she is being STRONGLY encouraged (privately) to step down and as far away from the university as possible.

Fascinating story, as it riles so many up.

 

She has opened one helluva can of Sharknado...

 

1.) I never said 1st amendment, because it's not a first amendment issue. It's a free speech issue. There's a difference. This matters in a private vs. public manner.
2.) You're right, she creates the syllabus and the university approves it. That's it, she's allowed creative freedom in how to teach the course.
3.) This was not made in a classroom setting. This was twitter. Different setting.
4.) The issue is as a private citizen who is allowed to make political statements, even if her job is as a professor, how do we allow her to do that? More importantly we can recognize some voices as being marginalized, how do we make sure those voices are heard? One way is through being an authority on the subject. Also, we want authorities to be heard on the subject, and we prize knowledge because it's valuable. So we want these voices to be heard. The question is a balancing act. How do we balance the needs of private citizens to be political, and their jobs in general? For example if a worker wants to say "Me and my buddies are upset at my workplace, they're unsafe", we want that to be heard, even if that interrupts the workflow.

 

Oh sure you're right on that last point about being pushed to not be so vocal. But she did think, and for the most part this is kinda an accepted idea in the field. Or at least I'm taking a strong guess on the subject. It's not what I specialize in.

 

Seems Rutgers enjoys employing racists. But then she teaches the most useless Subject.

 

lmao at mental image

 

And why do her opinions matter?

She's an affirmative action hire in a make believe bullshit department of "Department of Women’s, Gender and Sexuality Studies".

Liberals who run colleges set up these fabricated worthless propaganda machines to make themselves feel better and to spread their mental bastardizations of society because they are protected by the socialist deep state of America: the media and the democratic party, whose hands each other wash.

 

She can say what she wants and the GOVERNMENT cannot shut her down. THAT is her free speech. He employer can choose to employ someones who shouts vile speech or they can choose not to.

Under their direction, they employ her, they own that classroom, those students are their students.

Doesn't matter, what if they had a professor who was Tweeting clips of his KKK meeting and how they were yelling how great it would be if Obama's supporters all died.

She can make them but they can have private consequences like your employer saying sorry we cannot have someone working here who believes and makes such vile statements and hope some of our students die.

 

"Why does it matter what she thinks? Her opinion only matters because she's a professor, otherwise her voice would be marginalized and we wouldn't hear from her."

That's why it matters. So we can hear from her. Whether you like it or not, she has ideas about the way the world works, and she is presenting them. Don't like the message or how it's handled? You have to understand the message to reject it. You have to understand why it's presented that way to hate it. She's forcing you to engage with her ideas, whether you like the ideas or not. And that's the power of the pulpit awarded to professors. They can make you think when you otherwise wouldn't.

 

Oh I don't think she's being asked to be less vocal - I think she's being asked to leave ASAP.

 

So... what I said. Good job. It's about what she can say as a private citizen.

Of course that ignores the relationship a professor makes with their students. Professors are allowed academic freedoms to run the classes as they see fit, with tentative administrative support. Do you really want classes that are censored like that? That sounds incredibly dangerous to the free flow of ideas.

And? What's your point?

That doesn't answer the question posed. Why are you saying that? Why can't she as a private citizen say that? There's a de juro idea that the university doesn't take responsibility for what professors say. The professors beliefs are different than anything held by the university. So why are you saying this?

 

Probably. Yet here we are.

 

Pretty much. The issue is when they go grocery shopping and whatnot

Not really. Just can't think of anything that will get the message to penetrate through their obviously thick skulls.

Drivers license isn't enough? I've never had to present anything more then that...

 

And what the school can do fire her, what's your point here?

Within the bounds and Ethics and Compliance of the school.

So you think the school would fire him, would you urge them too even though it's free speech?

She can but she may face consequences you don't have a right not to face those private consequences. If the school believes the best person to be in front of their students is not someone who holds such vile beliefs and lives those beliefs that's their choice she can go seek other employment. You don't think people ever get fired for things they say and do off the job?

 

Yup. Every time.

 

How about being called deplorable and racists?

 

She has tenure, so probably not.

Yeah, and?

You're asking based on an assumption of free speech that holds all speech equal. Not all speech is equal. If a person said the KKK was good, and black people are better off in slavery that holds a bias against racial minorities. Are you really saying speech that demeans people is the same speech that uplifts them? A better example would be a professor says that light waves are only particles and anyone who disagrees with the professor is a moron.

They do, and that's called retaliation. Now legal or not is not the issue. There are lots of issues that would take a long time to sort out. The question is whether or not it should be done. The idea is professors have academic freedom to say whatever they want, so long as it's scientific more or less. Now does that pan out in reality? Heck no, science is petty. But the idea is this is the goal. We want professors and academics to be free from politics in their research, and to be able to help steer communities towards scientific understanding.

 

If she violated the Ethics and Compliance standards.

Yeah and what?

I've made no such assumption at all so don't assume I have. Can you address what I said now, what if it was a professor at a KKK rally yelling how he hope Obama supporters all died. Would they still be employed at a reputable school?

It's upholding the standards of the employer and that is what the issue is here, it's not a free speech issue, the government is not going to legally sanction her for what she said.

 

The deplorable thing, yeah. I would have been mad about that. That doesn't excuse Trump's conduct.

After Charlottesville? No. I don't care what the cause is, I'm not being seen with neo-Nazi's and anyone who chooses to protest with them (or supports protesting alongside them) is going to be judged a racist. It's like the old Aesop's fable says: birds of a feather flock together.

 

Then you would have to go through the committee responsible for firing her, after bringing allegations against her. Then they would have to decide whether or not to fire her. And that probably won't happen.

And what?

You're saying the language of dehumanizing people is the same as the language of humanizing people.

"Hey, I hate my boss. My boss told me to ignore all the safety rules today, and when I told him no he told me I would be fired". Is that allowable speech? What about forming a union? What about going to the press? I'm not making a 1st amendment argument. I'm making a freedom of speech argument. They're not the same arguments.

 

That is between her and her employer. If she violated their rules then they are well within their rights to fire her.

 

So if you showed up at a protest and there were agent provacateurs spreading the same message as you but while wearing swastika armbands, you would just leave and let them carry the narrative?

 

I'm not going to argue proceedure I'm arguing the responsibilty of the school and what in my opinion should happen and what would be best for the school and the students.

I'm saying insulting huge groups of people whom you oppose politically and wishing for their death and doing so loudly for all to see does not make the kind of person the school should want teaching it's students and they should dismiss her.

What you just said has nothing to do with what she said, none of the Trump supporters she insulted and wished for their death told her to ignore any safety rules which would be an OSHA complaint. Neither does this have to do with forming a union which comes under special federal protection anyway. I said very clearly what this is and why I hold my opinion when you have to resort to hypothetical whataboutisms I no longer have any interest.

 

Loooord help the Mister
That comes between me and my sister
And Loooord help the sister
That comes between me and my Haaaammmmm!

 

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