New Orleans to remove 4 Confederate statues

So New Orleans has declared diversity is evil and must be irradicated.

 

A loser and a coward? You're confusing Lee with Obama. How ironic.

 

Now he has one in prison.. lol..

 

Lol, you have just proven you are completely ignorant of Lee's role in the civil war. You have no clue what you are talking about. And as far as the My Lai Massacre, though terrible, the Union's General Sherman's March to the sea was worse, yet I'm sure we can find plenty of statues of him.
Custer served his nation well, although a bit brash, until the events surrounding little big horn. He paid the price for that. Unfortunately so did his men. But he still has much to be remembered for.

How you put Mcveigh's name in here is beyond me.

 

The old authoritarian saying is that if you want to create a future you must destroy the past....

Progressives are indeed authoritarians, I predicted they would attack history 15 years ago...

I really hope people will go down and protect that history ...

 

Lee was promoted to Colonel by Abraham Lincoln. Lee wanted to fight for the Union, until he was ordered to fight against his own people in Virginia.

He switched to the Virginia Militia. When the Confederacy formed he was appointed one of their generals. But he never wore that rank, he only wore the rank of Colonel, that which Lincoln appointed him to. You can ask yourself why but I'm sure you'll probably confuse yourself, because integrity is not in the liberal vocabulary.

He surrendered to Grant because he knew continuing the war was fruitless and didn't want to spill anymore American blood. He said it explicitly in his correspondence to Grant . The loser and coward as you call him thought nothing of himself and his own glory, but for the better of the country. If only the turd in office now would have a smidgen of the integrity of Lee, we'd be in a much better place.

 

I just realized my post put General Sherman as just as bad as Calley. Definitely not the case. Sherman's campaign was the "atom bomb" of the civil war, designed to bring the war quickly to an end, destroying the South's infrastructure and making it painful on civilians. He did not however target civilians directly, and his strategy was sound, although the south hated him for it. Calley obviously did target civilians directly in that disgusting massacre.

 

Two issues of history that most are so overwhelmingly ignorant of are Southern Slavery and Sherman's March....due of course to their indoctrination in our public schools.



Sherman was a war criminal

No other figure in the War Between the States is as vilified in Georgia as William Tecumseh Sherman. The Union general is blamed for countless depredations by his troops, from the burning of Atlanta and the looting and destruction of many North Georgia communities to the pillaging of a wide swath of the state in his March to the Sea. Sherman was depraved and a “war criminal”....and then he went on later to proclaim the only good Indian is a dead one....



Sherman convicted by his own words

Maj. Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, U.S. Army, stands accused of four counts of war crimes. By his own admission, he is guilty.

After World War II, the Nuremberg Charter defined war crimes as violations of the laws or customs of war. It lists several categories of offenses. Let us see how Sherman, on his own authority and under no orders from his superiors, violated the laws and customs of war.

Murder or ill-treatment of civilians: Union artillery had barely gotten into range of Atlanta when, on July 19, 1864, Sherman ordered a bombardment of the city’s buildings: “No consideration must be paid to the fact they are occupied by families, but the place must be cannonaded.” The Yankee guns fired their first shells on July 20, and within a few days, Confederate newspapers began reporting casualties.


Sherman maintained a perverse determination to shell Atlanta, denying that innocent civilians still lived there. “You may fire from 10 to 15 shots from every gun you have in position into Atlanta that will reach any of its houses,” he ordered his artillery on Aug. 1. “Fire slowly and with deliberation between 4 p.m. and dark.”

Three weeks later, the bombardment ceased only because Sherman gave up on his semi-siege of Atlanta and led most of his army toward Jonesboro to break the Rebels’ railroad supply line (this he did on Aug. 31, forcing Confederate evacuation of the city the next day).

Deportation of civilian population in occupied territory: On Sept. 4, just days after his troops entered Atlanta, Sherman dictated his Special Field Orders 67: “The City of Atlanta being exclusively required for warlike purposes, will at once be vacated by all except the Armies of the United States.” Civilians wishing to go south would be taken to Confederate lines under truce flags; the Rebels would then have to transport them on to Macon. The displaced could take some possessions, but most of their property, not to mention their homes, would be left behind.

The real shock was that Sherman expelled even those Atlantans who were Northern sympathizers (“secret Yankees&#8221. They and their belongings would be taken by train to Nashville or other points north. Eventually, some 1,650 men, women and children were dumped into Confederate lines south of the city during September. (A handwritten list of their names is in the National Archives.) Probably an equal number went north. Sherman’s forced expulsion of Atlanta’s civilian population has been called by historian Mary Elizabeth Massey “the single largest forced evacuation of an entire city during the Civil War.”

Plunder of public or private property: Maybe 50 families were allowed to stay during the Union occupation, which lasted till mid-November. This meant that most of the houses in the city were abandoned. Union officers moved into the nicer ones, but most of the Northern troops camped outside of town. To build their huts, the Yankees tore down houses, outbuildings and shacks. Sherman’s Field Order 67 allowed “buildings, barns, sheds, warehouses and shanties” to be so used, and they were. “All around fine houses are leaving, by piece-meal,” wrote one of Sherman’s men, “on the backs of soldiers. All these, to fix up quarters.” For the civilians who came back to find their homes gone, Sherman would simply have told them that war is war — a kinder phrase than the one he is more famous for.

Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages: Before he left Atlanta on his March to the Sea, Sherman ordered the destruction not only of railroad depots, factories, shops and warehouses in Atlanta, but whole blocks of the downtown business section along Whitehall and Peachtree streets. The engineers knocked down what they could, then blew up or burned what was left. Soldiers saw that “the engineers were having all the fun,” as one put it, and set fires of their own throughout the city. Sherman never ordered the wholesale burning of Atlanta. He didn’t need to; he knew what his veterans would do when he looked the other way.

“The boys commenced burning every house in (the northwest part) of the town,” wrote Capt. James Ladd of the 113th Ohio. “The wind was blowing hard at the time, and soon that part of the city was gone.” We’ll never know how much of Atlanta was burned before Sherman rode out on Nov. 16. Estimates run from a quarter of the city to 80 percent or higher. Sherman was satisfied, as he announced later in a field order congratulating his men: “We quietly and deliberately destroyed Atlanta.” The Yankees’ destruction was not quiet, but it was certainly deliberate.



I rest my case.

 

He didnt but many of his soldiers did

 

George the Third called our ancestors traitors for what they did at that time. But they were not traitors in fact, whatever he or his laws may have called them. They were not traitors in fact, because they betrayed nobody, and broke faith with nobody. They were his equals, owing him no allegiance, obedience, nor any other duty, except such as they owed to mankind at large. Their political relations with him had been purely voluntary. They had never pledged their faith to him that they would continue these relations any longer than it should please them to do so; and therefore they broke no faith in parting with him. They simply exercised their natural right of saying to him, and to the English people, that they were under no obligation to continue their political connexion with them, and that, for reasons of their own, they chose to dissolve it.

What was true of our ancestors, is true of revolutionists in general. The monarchs and governments, from whom they choose to separate, attempt to stigmatize them as traitors. But they are not traitors in fact; inasmuch as they betray, and break faith with, no one. Having pledged no faith, they break none. They are simply men, who, for reasons of their own – whether good or bad, wise or unwise, is immaterial – choose to exercise their natural right of dissolving their connexion with the governments under which they have lived. In doing this, they no more commit the crime of treason – which necessarily implies treachery, deceit, breach of faith – than a man commits treason when he chooses to leave a church, or any other voluntary association, with which he has been connected.

This principle was a true one in 1776. It is a true one now. It is the only one on which any rightful government can rest. It is the one on which the Constitution itself professes to rest. If it does not really rest on that basis, it has no right to exist; and it is the duty of every man to raise his hand against it.

If the men of the Revolution designed to incorporate in the Constitution the absurd ideas of allegiance and treason, which they had once repudiated, against which they had fought, and by which the world had been enslaved, they thereby established for themselves an indisputable claim to the disgust and detestation of all mankind.

Lysander Spooner - No Treason

 

I'm sure removing these statues will make the lives of New Orleans' black residents much better. I predict a steep decline in gang violence and the unemployment rate there in the coming weeks and months.

 

People really need to wake the (*)(*)(*)(*) up....

They need to chain themselves to those statues ..

Historically this is the type of (*)(*)(*)(*) EVERY totalitarian government or organization has done....

This act is FASCISM...

I wonder what people would say if Trump wanted to tear down Lady Liberty?

 

I think they should replace the statues with more relevant things:

A large bronze plaque of Black thug shooting at a Katrina rescue helicopter.

Statues of rioters.

Statues of corrupt mayors.

A large statue of their beloved master: Obama.

 

Apples to oranges. The Confederates committed treason and started the deadliest war in American history.

There were thousands of southerners who fought for the Union.

The war was lost. The only states that had not been defeated were Florida and Texas, but they could not resist a Union invasion and could not help Lee in any way.

The March to the Sea was like the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If it hadn't been done, the war would have dragged on for a lot longer and killed a lot more people.

Not really. He was brutal and incompetent, but he portrayed himself has a heroic general. After he died, his wife promoted that view of him, and she was very successful in doing so.

 

As I noted in the other thread:

It should be noted one of the monuments was a tribute to the Crescent City White League.

"On Thursday, the New Orleans City Council voted 6-1 in favor of an ordinance that paves the way for the removal of four Confederate monuments.

They include monuments that honor Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and P.G.T. Beauregard, one for President Jefferson Davis, as well as a monument to the postwar battle of Liberty Place. In that 1874 uprising, the Crescent City White League, a white-supremacist group..."

New Orleans Votes to Remove Four Confederate Monuments

For the record, this was the inscription on that 1891 obelisk honoring the Crescent City White League's attempted insurrection, known as the Battle of Liberty Place:.

 

I, too, miss those days when the best those people could hope for was a shady spot in the field picking our cotton. Now their running cities. What a shame it's come to this.

 

Jesus Christ... Women, too!? What'd we lose a war or something!?

 

You'd think if they were so hated, somebody'd come forward and volunteer to tear them down for free.

 

None of these fools picked any cotton.....

These people are blatant racists against whites and very similar to any authoritarian (or even totalitarian) in history you can think of if you ask me...

Only nutbar totalitarian fascists take down statues or dig up graves...

 

You do realize Saddam WAS a fascist totalitarian dictator hence the fact he had a statue of himself?

Taking that (*)(*)(*)(*) down was commonsense....

Pulling these statues down is destroying history, and that is what totalitarians do - destroy the past...

With Saddam we were destroying the present...

 

Just replying to your unqualified statement.

 

That's the greatest crime of them all.

 

Lee could have refused to join in the illegal secession movement, the unconscionable effort to preserve and extend slavery, and the horrible ensuing slaughter … He made his choice, didn't he … ???

 

So … By extension, the Russians are obligated to keep the embalmed/mummified corpses of Lenin and Stalin on public display in perpetuity … ???
The Germans ought to have no problem at all with statues of Hitler all over Germany, replete with swastikas … ??? It's "history," you see …