New York prosecutor hires forensic accountants as criminal investigation into Trump Organization esc

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Wasn't a campaign finance violation it was paid out of his own funds a candidate can spend all of their own money as they want. And no Cohen did not provide evidence it was an illegal act on Trump's part.
     
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    Do they have a warrant?
    You like to play like you are an attorney, you already know the answers to your own questions, I mean you've passed the bar, right?
    You know full well what Cohen handed them, at least what is public, you suppose counselor, that maybe he gave them something that isn't public yet?
    Hmmmmm?

    And now all of a sudden sworn testimony, in COURT is meaningless but a written that has never seen the inside of a courthouse let alone a court room is meaningless?
     
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    :roflol:
    Ok, you go with that.
     
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    Cohen specifically identified individual #1 as Donald Trump. Sorry, you're just wrong here.
     
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    I doubt Trump goes to jail over any of this. However...

    My goodness people Trump was probably the most protected candidate to run for the Presidency and his past was prologue to what has transpired since.

    He’s got a cartoonish “rap” sheet that billows out to the floor. He’s been in Federal court over 150 times since the mid-70’s. These were either suits he brought or were brought against him. These suits revolved around his unscrupulous business dealings, racial discrimination, and sexual assault. No. People of means don’t have sexual assault suits perpetually swirling around them that they quietly settle. Plus he’s clearly not who he represents himself to be.

    Trump’s behavior—lack of business acumen, philandering, loose association with reality—has perpetually got him in trouble. He’s a side show or the side show.

    The edifice that foisted this clown upon us is where our attention should be. In the end all Trump represents is the old guard attempting to perpetuate the inequities within our system. While he may have been an uncontrollable petulant mouth piece or caricature of a “star” nonetheless he did represent an malevolent interest.

    That interest is where our focus should be not on the shiny object that is Trump.
     
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    Capone was a murderous gangster who had no legitimate income despite his vast wealth, Trump is a businessman with billions in legitimate assets who tried to pay the minimum of tax. There is no comparison.
     
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    Has gone NOWHERE in 4 years, the idea that Trump's hush money payments to his mistress constitute campaign finance violations is ludicrous, he's not John Edwards (who actually got off with it).
     
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    Karen McDougal (what a honey!)
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    But that's been going 4 years and has not got anywhere. No court would ever consider it to be so and Cohen's evidence does not constitute that (plus he is a thoroughly discredited witness). Same with the rest. Wishing does not make it so.
     
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    Because SDNY are bigoted, blinded by TDS and launch politically motivated prosecutions?

    He'll probably settle his tax issues with a fine, much as Clinton did.
     
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    But not that he did anything illegal. What was illegal about negotiating a NDA with Daniels with his own money?
     
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    Only if they went before a judge and presented reasonable suspicion.

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    Recognize that?

    If your requirement for someone to discuss legal issues is that they have passed the bar either prove you have or cease and desist.

    I now Cohen pleaded guilty to crimes HE committed on his own. I know I have seen nothing of him accusing Trump of anything and the one time the MSM reported he had it had to be retracted.

    What sworn testimony and be specific.
     
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    YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief was NAMED as ACTIVELY participating in the CONSPIRACY to commit Campaign Finance Fraud in the GUILTY PLEA entered by his former lawyer who is doing THREE years of PRISON time for that CRIME.
     
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    Cohen is SERVING time because he carried out the CRIMINAL acts ORDERED by YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief.

    The guilty plea STIPULATES that YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief conspired to commit that crime.
     
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    There are AUDIO tapes AND the testimony of the THIRD coconspirator COMBINED with Cohen's testimony AND the money trail that ALL constitutes sufficient EVIDENCE to CONVICT your YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief.
     
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    YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief REPAID Cohen with Campaign Finance FUNDS which is ILLEGAL!
     
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    Not my loser in anything, I'm British. Cohen named him in the hope of getting a plea bargain but he didn't because there simply wasn't any evidence. To say Cohen is a discredited witness is an understatement.

    You know, you legitimately beat Trump at the polls, there's a 7 letter word for people who want to throw their political opponents into jail once they assume power.
     
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    None of which constitute campaign finance violations, not even to the level Obama committed.
     
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    YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief is YOURS because YOU defend him!

    Own your actions!

    The HARD evidence is IRREFUTABLE and that is WHY YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief deserves to do hard time behind bars.

    Duly NOTED that you stooped to an ad hom BECAUSE you could NOT address the FACTS.

    Sad!
     
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    No it isn't, he paid Cohen for his services as a lawyer during this campaign, for any number of things, you'd have to legitimately prove it was for this purpose and this purpose alone. Equally you'd have to prove his hush payments to his mistresses were exclusively to aid in his election, not to save his marriage, public reputation etc I mean John Edwards paid money to his mistress and love child directly from his campaign funds and he wasn't convicted.
     
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    Kneejerk DENIALISM does not alter the FACTUAL evidence one iota.

    That EVIDENCE of Campaign Finance violations was more than sufficient to put Cohen behind bars and it will suffice to put YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief behind bars in due course.
     
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    Yes you are sad. The evidence does not exist, otherwise Trump would already have been convicted (the Presidency doesn't shield him as we saw with Clinton). WHY do you hate him so? What sort of person wants to find an excuse to chuck his political opponents in prison?
     
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    Paying hush money to a hooker in NOT a crime.

    REPAYING your lawyer for that hush money FROM campaign FUNDS is a CRIME.

    YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief REPAID Cohen from campaign FUNDS which is what put Cohen behind bars.
     
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    Because Cohen actually broke the law, there's no evidence Trump ever did. Cohen went to prison for tax evasion and perjury, his campaign finance violations were simply that he was excessive.
     
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    No it isn't, again, you would have to prove definitively that this was what the money was for but Cohen did all sorts of legitimate things for Trump during his campaign and billed him accordingly.
     
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    Complete and utter bovine excrement!

    The Oval office does shield him INDICTMENTS which is WHY his INDICTMENT is still PENDING.

    YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief is UNWORTHY of the emotional energy expended by hatred.

    He is a CRIMINAL who MUST be held ACCOUNTABLE under the Law of the Land?

    Why do you LOVE criminals?

    It was YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief who INCITED his supporters to "Lock Her Up" originally so you have no room to accuse others of the actions that YOU supported.
     
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