No Veto: UN Security Council Adopts Anti-settlement Resolution; U.S. Abstains

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Nobody- nobody anywhere in the world- is going to simply turn a blind eye to the invasion of their land and the expulsion, even the imprisonment or murder, of its rightful inhabitants. It's a trait that is found throughout the animal kingdom.

    Further, the characterization of the ' settlers ' as innocent, home-seeking, peace-loving religious people whose idea of a good time is a sausage-sizzle and a few choruses of Kumbaya couldn't be further from the truth. In the main they are communities of brutal militias, heavily armed by the neoZionist state- as well as by other illegal gun-runners - who form the vanguard of Zionism's long-term plans for a ' greater Israel ' devoid of Arabs. They are fanatics, fanatics who have assassinated their own prime minister as well as a United Nations peace envoy along with many thousands of other people opposed to the occupation. They are just as fanatical as the Islamic extremists who taint Islam.

    Of course, the occupation was illegal even before yesterday's condemnation by the United States. The difference between previous Resolutions and this one is that the US is in agreement with the rest of the law-abiding United Nations membership. The Occupation is damned.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The United States give financial aid to both, Israel and Egypt, this is of course true.

    Were Egypt left on their own, the Suez Canal would long have been in the hands of Muslim terrorists.

    Were Israel left to fend for Itself, first stupid, aggressive Islamic country who'd try anything funny would get a nuclear missile lobbed up its a$$

    It's all makes perfect sense, my long absent friend :)
     
  3. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have news for you, my friend - both Russia and US are firmly and unwaveringly on Israel's side, latest stunt by irrelevant Obama notwithstanding.
     
  4. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh.... Pleeeeease...

    [video=youtube_share;bMUgNg7aD8M]http://youtu.be/bMUgNg7aD8M[/video]
     
  5. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Your fallacious fishing expeditions are always a good read. :)
     
  6. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mexicans do not need stinky Mexican permit to build houses in the US. They come over and do it permit-less.

    Incidentally, does Israel has the right to lock its border with Gaza tight? Why do you scream bloody hell when they do so?

    Ah yes....
     
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    Of course they are- because Israel is a legitimate state protected by international law. It is no ' stunt ' to support Israel whilst simultaneously condemning Israeli crime. It isn't Israel that the world despises- it's brutal occupation by neoZionist fanatics. Likewise, it isn't Judaism that is opposed- it's neoZionism.
     
  8. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what I'm here for, moon, to entertain my Liberal friends. And nothing fallacious about my fishing expeditions - they're based on my personal experiences and common sense.

    Yours?
     
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    Anybody with personal experience of the future sure trumps anything I've got to offer. :)
     
  10. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is certainly a stunt by irrelevant, out of the spotlight Obama, showing his true colors, to do something contrary to US foreign policy, and is sure as hell to be reversed in 3 weeks. A stunt it is, and another nail into his dubious legacy.
     
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    It's been well over 200 years since Franklin made this statement and with time we've learned we can add one more thing to the list.

    The racist will always accuse their detractors of being racists.

    All political ideologies of "Supremacy" regardless of whether it's White Anglo Saxon Protestant Male Supremacy (i.e. White Nationalism/"Alt-Right") in the United States, Islamic Religious Supremacy in many Middle East nations, Aryan Supremacy in former Nazi Germany, or Zionism that advocates Jewish Race/Religion Supremacy in Israel, are all forms of "Racism" that oppress the "non-members" of the group resulting in tyranny.

    Zionism is not "Jewish" but instead is advocacy for "racism" based upon a doctrine of Jewish Supremacy in Israel and there are far more non-Jewish Zionists in the United States alone than entire world population of Jews and a significant percentage of Jews are opposed to Zionism knowing it for what it is. A brutal and tyrannical political ideology of oppression no better than the Nazis that oppressed the Jews during the Holocaust.

    The illegal occupation of the West Bank and Jerusalem has nothing to do with being Jewish. It has everything to do with Zionism's ultimate goal of establishing a tyrannical "racist" government over all of Palestine that is inherently oppressive for all "non-Jews" in Palestine.

    In 1967, in response to the Israeli invasion of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, the United Nations Security Council with the support of the United States unanimously approved UN Security Council Resolution 242 that recognized the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security."

    The two operative clauses of UN Security Council Resolution established two principles for the ultimate resolution of the conflict and the establishment of peace:

    "(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

    (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."


    Every US President since 1967 has supported the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" by Israel and that the 1967 borders are the limits of the Israeli state (baring the possible albeit very unlikely voluntary willingness of the Palestinians to exchange land in Palestine for land in Israel).

    Every US President has also maintained that the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem are illegal under International Law in direct violation of Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions that expressly establishes that "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

    The UN Security Council Resolution ratified yesterday unanimously (with one abstention by the United States) re-affirms the positions held by every US Presidential administration since 1967.

    (Full text here: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.761030 )

    Perhaps more important that the official condemnation of Israel for it's violations of prior Security Council Resolutions, the UN Charter, and international law this agreement also prohibits the incoming Trump administration from violating the official position of the United States that has been consistent since 1967 with these two clauses:

    Notwithstanding the GOP's disregard for the US Constitution, and Donald Trump's complete lack of knowledge related to it, the UN Charter is an approved Treaty of the United States and that Treaty takes president over the statutory authority of the Congress and the President under the Constitution. The United States is mandated to comply with UN Security Council Resolutions and in this case it expressly prohibits actions such as: 1) Relocating the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and; 2) Recognizing the birth of a person in Jerusalem as being "born in Israel" because Jerusalem is not a part of, nor has it ever been a part of, Israel.

    All-in-all I have to agree with the original OP. President Obama could have been a great President by supporting this resolution that is about stopping the Zionist agenda to force the Palestinians completely out of their homeland by embracing the historical policies of every prior administration going back to 1967 when Israel fabricated a rationalization to invade the Palestinian lands as a part of a "land grab" scheme to forward the Zionist agenda. As it is he'll just be a good president because he didn't stand in the way of the Security Council doing it's job to try to bring about peace in the region.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who fo you think I am, Marty McFly? :roflol:
     
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    By that definition perhaps Christians should take back their ancient lands to then.
     
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    Exactly. Spot-on.

    We can love our Jerry Seinfelds and Rob Reiners and our less-talented Jewish friends and neighbors without supporting Likudnik disenfranchisement of native Palestinians.
     
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    Only that territory was not Arab territory, so they could not have lost it...
    The Turks ruled that territory for a milenia.
    So, notihng to do with nation, everything to do with religion.
     
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    You have only to view the United Nations Resolution, 181 of 1947, the Resolution which gives legitimacy to Israel, to know that Palestine was the Arab homeland and that the indigenous Palestinians there coexisted with small numbers of indigenous Jewish inhabitants. Any census will confirm this truth for any doubters.
     
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    Show your kids.
    For a better tomorrow for EVERYBODY- ( except fascists )

    Video: Israeli soldiers tear gas Santa

    https://tinyurl.com/jexa45j

    Incidents like this - and associated publicity- are the reason for the United States allowing UN condemnation of the illegal occupation.
    Today- Americans are the good guys.

    [​IMG]

    Merry Christmas.
     
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    No, non-Jewish Palestinians are not permitted to live in the settlements.
    https://www.afsc.org/resource/israel’s-settlement-policy-occupied-palestinian-territory

    Jimmy Carter wrote a book titled Peace, Not Apartheid that provided constructive criticism of the Israeli government, but the settlements still endorse apartheid.
     
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    Now- you 'friends ' of illegal occupation- remember that the US has poured trillions of dollars of US taxpayers money into what has become a fascist theocracy. It has turned a blind eye to the murder of American civil rights workers by this brutal regime. It forgave Israel for murdering the sailors of the USS Liberty and it has endured the scorn of the international community for decades over its support for Israeli criminality, ethnic cleansing and apartheid.
    Now look and see how your neoZionist ' allies ' react to America's compliance with international law.

    This regime sucks up our taxes by the billions , spits in our faces and expects our servicemen and women to die for its ' security '. Trump should cut them loose.
     
  20. bill hill

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    So tell me, what lands have NOT changed hands? What lands have NOT had to battle to keep it, or battle to take it? You are making an argument that your left wing buddies like to fall back on, but you never are able to confront the fact that EVERY iece of land in the world has been fought over.....If you can keep it, it's yours!!!! Not hard to understand...
     
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    The fact is that territories were always in dispute and subject to encroachment and theft by means of war- until the nations of the world came together to put an end to it and to ensure the integrity of every country. Modern international law gives every country protection from invasion and annexation. If you were to read the text of this latest UN Resolution concerning Israel's illegal occupation you will see that modern law in action;

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.761030

    It simply isn't up for argument.
     
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    The rantings of a fascist scorned.
     
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    The best explanation that I have heard is that President Obama is now doing those things that he has long wished to do, but could not do for political reasons: either because it would hurt himself politically, or because it would hurt Hillary Clinton, prior to the recent election.

    He is now showing his true colors.

    His recent decision to retain, as pristine--free from any oil drilling--certain areas of the US, is simply part and parcel of this newly-freed Obama; and so is this...
     
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    You missed the point! Everyone who stands on this law are ALL hypocrites, including my beloved USA! All land has been taken, confiscated, conquered, swapped,split, divided, sold, bought....all have changed hands, either by force or negotiations....

    However, the very land where Israel stands they owned long ago, and the entire mid east has gone back and forth of conquering each other over land. The bottom line is, Israel was re-born in 1948 and placed there by the allied forces and their constituents. The real reason everyone is up in arms about it, is the fact that they are jews. No one had a problem with jews when they were being eradicated and exterminated! only when they have land from their origin. Hell, the muslim countries don't even want the Palestinians.
    http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
     
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    I have an idea: Why not just withdraw from the UN entirely?

    President-elect Donald Trump said, just yesterday, that there would be some serious changes as regarding our policy toward the UN, beginning on January 20 (his day of inauguration).

    Whereas I rather doubt that this will include our total withdrawal from the UN, I truly wish that it would.

    And I think that Israel should withdraw from the UN, also.

    This is just another example of the globalists' attempts to attenuate nationalism--a quite dismal idea, in my opinion.

    Way back in the 1960s, there was a bumper sticker that read, "Get the UN out of the US, and get the US out of the UN."

    Although I am not ordinarily much of a fan of bumper-sticker logic, this piece of wisdom was completely in keeping with my own view--both then and now...
     
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