No Veto: UN Security Council Adopts Anti-settlement Resolution; U.S. Abstains

And if this were on the burner, at least make everyone pay their fair share!
Currently, only the United States, Greece, Great Britain, Estonia and Poland have spent an average of 2 percent of GDP on their own defenses. The United States by far spends the most, with the average being 3.61 percent of GDP. The other countries spend around 1.5 percent or less, with Luxembourg coming in last at merely 0.44 percent of GDP. 2% of GDP is what the agreed cost per nation would be...

 

Sorry - Oxymoron -
But isn't it Palestinian Rule over a Palestinian State that is in question here ?

 

Right now I'm not talking about ownership of the land. I'm talking about a right to live on the land. There are about 400 000 Jews living in the West Bank. It is impossible to move them out peacefully and Israel won't allow anybody to use violence against them. So the only way two states solution is possible is if Palestinians and Palestinian authorities garantee full respect for human rights for them. Just like Israel respects human rights of the Arabs living in the Israel.

 

Respect to Israel, judging from their neighbors they are doing a damn fine job. Arabs cant barley cope with them self let alone with Jews.
Two state solution with 100% division is only way. There will never be full human rights given to the Jews where there are majority Muslims/Arabs.

 

Because the Israeli Jews didn't build the wall on their own land. They stole it.
Typical

 

Did you just said, the border separating Gaza and Israel is not on Israeli land?

Is circus still in town?

 

You have to understand that modern international law is designed to prevent war. Taking the position that war is preferable to law is the insanity of ' might makes right '. Thermonuclear weapons were the game-changer.

By your own philosophy the Jews lost their claim to any territory when they were ethnically cleansed from it. That's exactly the insanity that international law has addressed.

 

No state can exist without international law- none.

 

The Palestinians have offered Palestinian nationality to any illegal squatters that choose to remain in Palestine after Israel withdraws to the Green Line. Of course, all of Palestinian territory remains Palestinian under any circumstances unless the Palestinians themselves choose otherwise- and that's the Palestinian nation, not any Palestinian leadership. The rights of the Palestinian nation are enshrined within international law.

 

That's true- and that fact has been endorsed by the Israeli courts- as well as by the international courts;

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=11292#.WF7_SBug_5Y

 

It might be- because that's correct.

 

The UN is a massive toilet bowl filled with 2/3rds of it's members led by Despots and Dictators that the world hasn't the courage to flush.

 

Excellent points, more recent examples are Putin and the Crimea or Saddam and Kuwait. Putin kept Crimea and the USA took Kuwait back for the Kuwaiti's.

 

no it is not

 

Where Israel build their border is indeed not in Israel.

 

Are you saying, Israel's borders at Gaza are illegitimate?

 

I was under the impression, borders separate two countries although in case of Gaza, it is a make believe country, of course.

 

The UN is a facilitator of international law, ie, it aims to promote well-ordered relations between nations, by rendering obsolete the prosecution of 'right by might' ( as moon has patiently pointed out in this thread).

Admittedly the UN is a work in progress; perhaps the UNSC needs to increase its permament membership to include Japan and Germany, (plus perhaps two or four more) without veto power. Then rule of international law (=well-ordered relations between nations) can at last be gradually implemented without threat of nuclear annihilation of our species.

The UN can then deal with your "despots and dictators" (many of whom have been or are supported by the US and other self-interested parties).

You see - a philosophy of pure self-interest is impossible as a basis for well-functioning political systems (Ie, politics without resort to *destructive* violence) in a globalised economy (and often it *is* a case of "it's the economy, stupid") on a small planet.

 

No matter what obama did on this UN resolution, obama will not be considered a great president. He leaves behind a legacy of racial hatred, religious hatred, abolishment of the rule of law, and once stable nations are in civil war. He was a disaster.

 

I'm not sure of the original status of Gaza (I have seen a map of the various territories as drawn in the 1947 UN partition of Palestine; the north-eastern tip of Gaza seems to touch the UN sanctioned new state of 'Palestine', allowing a contiguous Palestinian state.

However, today I heard the strange argument from an Israeli representative that the West Bank is not occupied territory but rather disputed territory, based on the weird logic (if I heard it right) that the West bank had never existed as separate territory!

Isn't he forgetting two things:

1. Palestine was partitioned by UN resolution 181 in 1947, creating an area including land referred to today as the West Bank.

2. The fact that Israel 'conquered' (in their view) this land in subsequent wars does not entitle Israel to claim such land as 'disputed', for the simple reason that acquisition of land by force is inadmissable under international law.

Just as if the Arab states had in fact defeated Israel in these wars, an Arab occupation of Israel would have been illegal.

Zionists forget that the world has changed since a certain 'chosen people' conquered their 'promised land', aided by a God who authorised genocide as part of that conquest.

Today we have international law to facilitate well-ordered relations between nations. We can all be pleased that this is so, despite the inability of the UN thus far to defend its judgements re implementation of such law.

 

Borders ! - You speak of Borders ?
Israel has no Borders - "We don't need NO stinking Borders !"
Until we have Stolen all the Land that it is possible to Steal

The Hidden Documents
That Reveal The True Borders Of Israel And Palestine (Updated ) -
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/documents-borders-palestine/
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The UN is as corrupt as the Mafia, even worse. https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...-nations/the-corruption-of-the-united-nations

 

Assuming Israel would have lost the 1948 Independence War, or 1967 Six-Day war, or 1973 Yom-Kippur war, there would be no Jewish State and no Palestinian State. In no borders. There would be only increased Arab states. So there is no reason for Israel to be generous and to give up any territories in exchange for nothing.

 

What laws are you talking about?

 

Nope, it's actually you who is forgetting that the Arabs did not recognize the resolution, decided to resolve the conflict by force, started a war and thus made the entire Palestine a "disputed territory". You are trying to have it both ways pal, we don't recognize the resolution but we won't put up with Israel violating its sanctity. Duh.