Norway welcomes US Marines amid Russian tensions

That should be the most ideal way,
but what if internationally they will prevent the migration of fishes into our shores?

 

Don't forget the diapers!

 

Quite so, there is no threat; NATO has become passé, and all this sabre rattling on Russia's doorstep is a way attempting to justify its existence. It might as well be disbanded and replaced by the European army, which is what the member states obviously would prefer.

"Juncker warns EU cannot rely on US and renews call for separate European army after Trump's victory"

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/juncker-wa...te-european-army-after-trumps-victory-1590804

Also this is the same article: "Juncker emphasised that transatlantic relations must be improved, but cautioned against Europe becoming the "United States of Europe"."

I thought that was the whole purpose of the EU project.

 

As I keep saying, the EU doesn't need defending from Russia; the difference between Trump and Clinton is that he wants Russia on-side against our common enemy, and Clinton would be confrontational towards Putin and he'd tell her to '(*)(*)(*)(*) off and fight Islamic State on your own!'. Whether you like it or not, we need Russia in this war; it's no good expecting the Euro-countries to help because they have enough troubles of their own to cope with.

 

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out to you yet. Crimea is in Europe !

 

I'm pretty sure the Crimeans voted to be in Russia, just in the last year or so. Since they speak Russian, it only made sense, and apparently they preferred Russian culture and leadership to that of the Euro white trash leadership.

 

You try this sort of trick against a NATO country and we won't hesitate to nuke Leningrad and Moscow.

(And we know to make sure that the outskirts of Moscow get enough overpressure to pancake all those concrete highrises.)

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I don't think that's true. He merely wants our allies to help out a little more when we help them defend themselves.

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There is very much a threat. Russia plans on invading the EU if they can fool us into standing down our defenses.

(We are not fooled.)

As long as Russia feels that they have the right to invade and conquer everyone else, NATO will have a reason to exist.

There is no saber rattling. Our growing forces on the Russian border are just to prevent the EU from being invaded.

We are not going to abandon NATO.

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We are not going to be tricked into lowering their defenses.

Russia is not doing a thing to fight Islamic State. Russia is devoting all of their efforts in Syria to helping Assad commit genocide against innocent Syrian civilians.

And no, we don't need Russia. We are doing quite well fighting Islamic State without any Russian help.

France, Germany, and the UK have been a great help in the war against Islamic State.

 

So what? Remember, we Brits are not in the wretched EU any more, so Putin can have it as a gift for all I care..

 

Ok you are just a tad wound up, your not even listening to people. First off that comment about nuking anyone was so stupid I almost didn't respond. Crimea is Russian, language, culture and they needed that port access. If the people were ok with it too? That's their business. The ONLY reason we give two shats about the Ukraine is we had fantasies of running a pipeline to them. That's now been nixed.

Ok about NATO. The Euros want their own army, Russia is no threat to them they know we are watching so...lets let the Euros have it. Not instantly... But a ramp down, we spend 100s of billions on NATO a year.. So I propose we let them have all the infrastructure, even sell them a lot of the weaponry cheap, Do that for anything we don't want to bring home... Now the Euros form their own army.. Take over the command centers we start packing up. Now your talking trillions of dollars of tax payer money saved.

Who doesn't want that? State Dept , Pentagon, Military Complex, It would make some very very rich people unhappy. But we would be better off

No one is trying to trick anyone. It's not the 30s anymore if Russia attacked Europe we would be on them SO fast your head would swim.

And lastly we the US don't need anyone but it would be nice to share some of the headache eh? China doesn't care about anyone but China and the Euro countries really aren't nearly as geographically positioned as well as Russia to hit Islamists easily

Cold War is over man don't feed the elite military complex

 

The West is not going be fooled into standing down our defenses so Russia can invade unopposed.

We WILL launch the nukes if Russia tests us.

If Russia pulls that sort of crap with any NATO country, you can kiss Leningrad and Moscow goodbye.

The West is not going be fooled into standing down our defenses so Russia can invade unopposed.

NATO is not going anywhere. We are going to remain poised to incinerate the population of Russia.

That is incorrect. The KGB is trying to trick the west into standing down so that Russia can invade unopposed.

Yes. And the reason for that will be the continuation of NATO.

At least the Euro countries are actually trying to attack Islamic State.

The West is not going be fooled into standing down our defenses so Russia can invade unopposed.

 

There are multiple regions in the Baltic states with majority or large minority Russians. All the more reason to fear a Russian invasion of NATO countries. People need to remember that German expansion in Eastern Europe preceding WWII was justified on the basis of large German populations in those countries, going back to the middle ages.

The Crimeans can vote to be part of Russia all they want. Whether such a vote is recognized by Ukrainian law is between the Ukrainians and the Crimeans. What is NOT acceptable is for a large neighbor country to launch a covert, ambiguous invasion and annex part of the country. Obama showed no leadership against Russia, and I don't think Trump will either.

Russia will not re-enter great power status, they are and will remain a third-tier country for as long as that country exists. Their recent revanchism will have two long term effects: To bring the Middle East under Iranian influence, and to damage US prestige. People don't realize that US prestige and power are about 80% of what has driven globalism for the past 70 years. I think the world is about to enter a phase of protectionism and a new kind of ambiguous war, one where politics is just a continuation of war by other means.

 

Leaving aside the rest of the delusional gung-ho crap in your post, Toggle, someone needs to tell you this . . . Islamic State hasn't even got into second gear yet. They'll soon be in a mall near you, and they won't be there to do any shopping. Trust me - we need Russia.

Just a little PS - do not depend upon NATO because it has been taken over by liberal bureaucrats and won't have the stomach for the fight.

 

We need Russia? Nonsense. Our security measures have nothing to do with their efforts to keep their little (*)(*)(*)(*)head dictator in power. Too bad this country lost it's balls over the last decade, because we should be reminding the Russians that it's time to stop playing in the adult side of the pool. The Iranians are going to take their newfound hegemony, give Putin a pat on the head, and send him back to his demographic time bomb of a country.

 

Another brainwashed ex-military man with an irrational fixation about Putin.

 

Neither military nor ex-military here.

I'm not fixated on Putin at all, I think the little man is gonna play his little role in making the world a worse place and then finally die. What matters to me is that the United States has become so weak-kneed that we're allowing pipsqueak nations like Russia to act out of line.

 

And he says he's not fixated? But I'd be interested to understand the hate-filled paranoia apropos Putin/Russia?

 

If you're asking why I'm concerned about Russia, the answer is simple: Hell hath no fury like a former great power. The Russians don't believe in the globalist, peaceful, economy-focused new world order that used to exist; No, they have a single foreign policy objective: Stick it to the big mean bully on the other side of the pacific, the United States. And the Little Dictator is like an avatar for this particular volkgeist. I'd say the visage of Putin even manages to capture it: Pitiful, miserable, small, and belligerent.

(*)(*)(*)(*), makes me think Hegel was on to something.

 

You're obviously obsessing about the USSR so there's no point in my trying to discuss with you - especially as you have totally ignored my comments about the coming global jihad. So you just carry on your hate-fest against Vladimir Putin.

 

Were any of your comments about global jihad directed at me? I love tangents. I know some people in the "alt-right" community and they have this odd dream about the US and Russia teaming up to go on sort of Grand Christian Crusade against the heathens, even drawing up concept art of the joint Russo-American invasion of Constantinople. Pretty juvenile really. Samuel Huntington may have been right in his broader points, but the clash of civilizations is not the battle between two mobilized national spirits, just a bubbling up at fault lines. Like Russia, Islamic society has several deep cultural tendencies that bring conflict with the Westernization of their culture. In the end.

There is going to be no large-scale invasion of the West, and no "great jihad", just a bunch of little thugs in the deserts and Kremlins of the world fighting the advancement of the human race. I am not a cultural relativist, the West is going to come out on top, but there will be growing pains.

 

Okay, you go with your theories and I'll go with mine? I'm just glad you're not my next-door neighbour!

 

If you don't accept a large neighbor country launching a covert and ambiguous invasion, how do you then rationalize your support for what Nuland did?

 

Diplomats influencing events in the countries they work with is not a new, surprising, or interesting revelation.

In fact, that's what diplomats are for.

 

I notice that you didn't point out any facts that I was wrong about.

Islamic State is on the verge of being driven out of Iraq, and their hold on Syrian territory has become tenuous. All of that is entirely because of Barack Obama and his NATO allies.

If we ever decide to help Assad murder innocent Syrian civilians, I'm sure Russia could give us a lot of pointers.

Russia is not doing a thing to fight Islamic State. They have nothing to offer us on that front.

If Russia invades a NATO country, the United States military will not hesitate to reduce Leningrad and Moscow to radioactive craters.

 

Even if it means they'll reduce NYC and Washington to radioactive craters? Yeah that makes sense; at least it obviously does to you. And another 'obvious' is that you're not family man.

 

Do you, now?

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You are barking.