Part 19 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

And that's the way it should be. Also, the Holy Spirit won't tell you
or have you do anything that is contrary to God's Word. Murdering
abortion providers immediately comes to mind.

 

Oh ok. Well I knew you weren't Catholic from our last discussion in the previous thread. Thank you for the clarification and the congratulations. =)

 

Murdering anyone should be mentioned as opposed to selecting one of many groups that could conceivably be murdered. Why did you select only that one group of people?

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Giving you an F for failing to address one of your comrades for initiating the discussion that you are complaining about.

 

Is that the manner in which you are interpreting what I said?

 

As I said, it's what immediately came to mind. In the context of my post
the point was that God's Word wouldn't tell a Christian to murder someone.
There have been cases that a "christian", said he was told by God to kill
or bomb an abortion mill. God wouldn't tell a Christian to do so.

 

My comment was to you. Quit trying to avoid the truth by deflecting to someone else. D E N I A L.

 

Trying to avoid your own words again. Typical.

I am asking you to explain your claim. You claim that the holy spirit directs your thoughts when you are trying to interpret scripture.

Is your interpretation of scripture then from you or from God ?

 

It's rather obvious you are not understanding these particular verses from Scripture. Because we believers understand these verses we do not dread neither are we in terror because of them. Let me first explain Isaiah 10:23 then later, on another post I will explain the other two verses you posted.

Isaiah 10:23 (CEV) does say, "The Lord All-Powerful has promised that everyone on this earth will be punished."
The problem you have here which is a very typical mistake that most non-believers make is that you are taking this verse out of context and so below is verses 20 thru 26 of Isaiah 10.

Now when you read the other verses along with the verse you posted you will begin to understand the verse more clearly. Also as you will see the CEV Bible has footnotes to give more detail/info of the verses they present.

Isaiah 10:20-26 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

Only a Few Will Come Back

20 A time is coming when the survivors from Israel and Judah will completely depend on the holy Lord of Israel, instead of the nation[a] that defeated them. 21-22 There were as many people as there are grains of sand along the seashore, but only a few will survive to come back to Israel’s mighty God. This is because he has threatened to destroy their nation, just as they deserve. 23 The Lord All-Powerful has promised that everyone on this earth will be punished.

24 Now the Lord God All-Powerful says to his people in Jerusalem:
The Assyrians will beat you with sticks and abuse you, just as the Egyptians did. But don’t be afraid of them. 25 Soon I will stop being angry with you, and I will punish them for their crimes. [c] 26 I will beat the Assyrians with a whip, as I did the people of Midian near the rock at Oreb. And I will show the same mighty power that I used when I made a path through the sea in Egypt.

Footnotes:
a. 10.20 nation: That is, Assyria.
b. 10.23 on this earth: Or “in this land.”
c. 10.25 punish. . . crimes: Or “completely destroy them.”

So as we can see here the verse "The Lord All-Powerful has promised that everyone on this earth will be punished." Is not saying that everyone on earth will be punished, it was referring to the people in the land of Assyria during the Old Testament days.

Refer to footnote b. 10:23 on this earth: Or "in this land." So this verse should really read, "The Lord All-Powerful has promised that everyone on this land will be punished."

And the "land" was referring to the land of Assyria.

 

The God that the Christians worship often tells his followers to murder people.

 

Now that I can agree with. Thanks for the clarification.

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And you are standing in DENIAL of the fact that I am not the one who brought up that subject. Therefore, your comments about me and that subject matter makes you equally a contributor to such discussion. Now go ahead and stand in denial of that aspect.

 

Im wondering why a theist would need to refer to a website to answer their questions about Christianity rather than their bible.

 

Then you are not denying that what you have stated is nothing more than your interpretation of what I have said, and as such your interpretation amounts to nothing more than opinion.

 

That is fine if you do not want to answer the question put to you. No need to start trying to attribute your guilt to others.

 

So, now that you have been implicated it is "fine" if I don't want to answer the question. I wonder why the sudden change. Perhaps it is born out of the fact that you cannot justify the actions of your comrade in initiating the subject matter.

 

It was not really an interpretation or an opinion rather it was a guess.

I do not know what you mean when you say that the Holy Spirit guides your thoughts when you are trying to interpret scripture.

I love your desperate attempts to avoid answering questions in relation to you claim though.

Such disingenuousness in relation to your own beliefs. What are you afraid of ?

 

If you do not want to answer you don't want to answer. Nothing I can do about that.

 

That is correct. You cannot prosecute someone on the validity of their beliefs.

 

No, He doesn't. But for the heck of it please show us where He tells
Christians to commit murder.

 

I did not say that God told Christians to commit murder. God has never spoken to Christians according to the Bible.

The Bible does however state that God told his followers to commit murder.

 

It simply means that everyone has internal dialogue going on and in my case, I have determined that the other party involved in that internal dialogue is the Holy Spirit. During that internal dialogue, I am informed as to the meaning of a particular scripture in question and my external responses to that information is formed on that received information. Even old Einstein stated that intuitive thought is a most precious commodity in the scientific arena (paraphrasing one of his quotes). I will look up that quote if you find a need to see it.

Previously you stated that it if fine if I don't want to answer the question, now, coming from that double sided mind of yours is your attempt to say that I am being desperate in avoiding such questions. You really should take a singular position and hold that position rather than scattering yourself all across the spectrum of conceivable thoughts.

Afraid.... not even. Wise to your little bait and switch game. You see, my beliefs are my beliefs and as pointed out in the link below, my beliefs are not subject to prosecution... even in the federal courts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Ballard Though this forum is not a 'court of law', it is a court of public opinion, and as such the beliefs of a person should not be placed before the jury of participants in that court of public opinion. To do so in a court of law would be the same as entering into the realm of religious persecution.

 

1) you claim that the Holy Spirit informs you of the meaning of scripture.... Got it.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God ?

 

Once again, you focus on my beliefs. Let us focus on yours. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is God? If not then we are likely to have conflicting beliefs, which may or may not constitute grounds for endless discussion as neither you nor I would be able to provide PROOF on the level that would compel the mind of the other to accept the evidence or argument as true.

 

I am not interested in asking you to prove your beliefs at this point. I am after something else.

1) you claim that the Holy Spirit informs you of the meaning of scripture.

2) you believe the Holy Spirit is God as per quote above

If the Holy Spirit is God , as you suggest then

3) You claim that God informs you of the meaning of Scripture

Your interpretation of scripture then comes from God according to you.

This what I was interested in and not whether or not you could prove something.

 

Regardless, please provide some evidence. By the way, if you're talking
about war, it isn't murder. At any rate, provide some evidence.

 

Then why the continued questions below pertaining to what I believe? Are those questions below not designed to solicit a declaration pertaining to my beliefs? They sure seem to be. That is why I explicitly stated "LIKELY to have conflicting beliefs". That word 'likely' diffuses any sort of absolute declaration on my part, thus disabling your ability to post another absurd claim such as you have below (highlighted in red).

No! According to you and your imagination running wild and creating interpretations that are not accurate. "likely" is non committal. Just 'probable'.