Plain Truths That Can't Be Mentioned

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  1. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How can you be certain?
     
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    There's been no proof.
     
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    So does utopia. While we're waiting for that to happen honest confrontations with our past is the best path to healing old wounds.
     
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    In practice that's a distinction without a difference.
    "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, and . . . ?
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ah, back to CRT, which is neither honest nor about our past.
     
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    Virtually all fresh foods are cheaper than unhealthy foods. All you have to do it cook it, something a lot of people aren't willing to do.
     
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    So says you.
     
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    Of course we aren't color blind, but that is hardly the objective anyway. The problem really isn't color, it's culture. We have Asians for example that seem to thrive here and have few problems. Spanish as well.
    Why then, blacks would be different? Conduct. Values. Culture. High violent crime. Irresponsible fathers, leaving kids without a solid role model. Stuff like that breeds contempt and hate for others, because it's easier than accepting responsibility for yourself.

    No question- I'm prejudiced. (So are you, I'm sure).
    I condemn bad conduct, lack of character, people who mistreat others, people who are hostile towards those they don't even know, people who deny obvious truth trying to gain power over others, and all kinds of criminal behavior. We may see these things individually anywhere, but when they are concentrated into a recognizable group, we recognize the tendencies are more likely to be there in the individuals.

    All those things are in their control- not yours or mine. They can change it anytime they want to.
     
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    Proof that it could be genetic? Agreed. But what about a combination of DNA and learned behavior? Presumably, human evolution involves the brain as well as our other physical organs. What if we're born with "early warning systems" that have a bias against physical differences? It doesn't seem to impact new-borns - i.e. babies seem to be "color-blind" - but, perhaps, that IS evolution away from this particular form of "early warning," shifting to learned behavior.

    I would think these would be important issues for study, no?
     
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    I would agree with it, to a point. Brain studies have shown that liberal brains differ from the more common conservative brain. There seems to be a genetic link to liberalism. The fact that it emanates out of Northern Europe and tends to be common in Americans descended from North Europeans is in agreement with the genetic link. Other studies have shown that liberals tend to be more empathetic than what is common. It may be that in the past humans had a need for a tribal instinct, but perhaps that instinct is no longer useful. That a more evolved man would see the world more as one than as a collection of warring parties. Could it be, the advanced man, the supermen Nietzsche talked of, is better expressed as the liberalization of the world? A better society, a more equitable society. Yet, perhaps the rest of the world just isn’t ready yet.
     
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    Proof please.
     
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    I think there already have been studies done. Children who grow up in mixed racial communities tend to be less prejudiced against others than those who grow up in communities which are only one race.

    Dogs are like that too. Raise them around cats and cats are no big deal. But raise them with no cats around and cats become prey.
     
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    You'd have to be pretty naive to think that Asians and Hispanics do not feel white prejudices as well...just different degrees of CRT. I think you are right about "cultural differences," which may have once made a "cautionary warning system based on physical differences" useful...just as our appendixes were useful at one time based on our diets. But, if its entirely "cultural" today then, in democratic societies, it's self-correcting, because ultimately the electorate will determine the culture, and the various compromises and alliances will lead to fewer cultural differences, which in turn will be reflected in law.
     
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    And, it's likely they will. But "character" is determined by cultural values...so, IMO, it involves evolving to a single culture, with a single value system...and I believe that the way to that is via science.
     
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    Sorry, I don't do requests.
     
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    Depends on how you define CRT. To me, it's simply an outgrowth of the social sciences and the study of the evolution of the human mind, which probably occurs far slower than our collective achievements in improving our environment.
     
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    It could also be that northern harsh climates requires more cooperation for species survival. Paradoxically, where the climate is easier, there is more to fight over.
     
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    Not sure if your example is a good one - and probably this gets a mention or two on Fox - at least.

    Truths that you will not hear - by either side - would be something like

    " The US is the #1 State Sponsor of Terrorism" or "Most of the US military is Obsolete"
     
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    Then your claim is dismissed.
     
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    Given that we have many veterans and families that have been adversely affected by wars with Asians (Japan, Vietnam) the acceptance of those people is quite high. However, from what exposure I've had with them, their behavior has been quite respectable. I believe that to get respect from others, any others- you act with respect first. That won't solve it for everybody, but it will for most.

    Most importantly the concept of CRT is to make someone else responsible for the feelings and choice of conduct of the (victim?) individual. That can never change anything in a positive way- and it opens the door to a widespread acceptance of the idea that everything you think or feel or do is somebody else's fault. That insures you will have no ability to control your own life- and those you blame will have no control either. It's like we all get in the back of the bus and blame each other because nobody is in the driver's seat, steering our lives in the right direction.

    Law.... doesn't control behavior, it only punishes some kinds of it. The real control is called "self-regulation", where your personal values and beliefs prevent you from crossing certain lines, regardless if anyone else would ever know or not. The only genuine social vaccine is self-esteem, where you conduct yourself in a way that always earns you own respect. It's something that is possible for everyone, but that few are willing to do. That is a shame, because that is where your power to control and guide your own life is truly at.

    By the way- I've been discriminated against for a great many things, just as you have if you think about it. It's not what others may think or say that makes me who I am- it's how I live and how I see myself that matters. When that is right, you find you are bullet-proof as far as what others may think.
     
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    And I care why?
     
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    IME it isn't very expensive, but rather requires more time and work. I always find fresh food at the grocery amazingly cheap (except for beef), but it requires a lot of prep at home to be made into a meal. I just blend it all into smoothies to gulp down, but most people need to make a 'dish' that they can sit down and enjoy, and apparently it takes too much time away from watching TV or something... and believe me, I get it. I do smoothies because I dont enjoy cooking either. But nutrition is the foundation of health and you gotta be healthy, man!

    But also it seems when we go to the doctor, far more emphasis is put on taking pills to fix ills than eating right, so I guess a lot of people prolly dont even know their TV dinner is bad for them.
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree with most of that...although I'm forced to admit I had nothing whatsoever to do with the choice of my parents or the color of my skin. I suspect most of my "self-esteem" comes from being the oldest child on both sides of the family and the only male child among many women, while the rest of the men were away fighting WW II. Also...note that Japanese-Americans did fight on the Allied side, during WW II, as well as about half of the Vietnamese during the Vietnam War. We were there to help them, not vice versa. And...introspection involves, IMO, what our ancestors did wrong, as well as what they did right. Look at the Capitol Building invasion and the idiots running through the building with the Confederate flags. As far as I'm concerned, they had renounced their citizenship and were trying to overthrow the U.S. government (although most were not). I have no problem with charging those people with either sedition or insurrection and locking them up for 20 years.

    I think law does inhibit crime and in that way "controls behavior." Obviously, not in all cases.
     
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    Sorry, but "character" is, IMHO, independent of culture, or multi-cultural depending on your preferred expression.
     

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