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We disagree.

 

There may be some common human traits, independent of specific cultures (e.g. honesty, murder, etc.). Even CRT may be a majority-minority phenomena rather than an ethnic one.

 

Actually it’s the MSM and Leftists that have done their best to taint the word. Just like the American flag is embarrassing. Or the pledge or the star spangled banner. Our military. Conservatives have tried to retain it all. ONLY Leftist whack jobs have fought to destroy anything that makes one proud of the country because we’re not SUPPOSED to be proud. We’re supposed to be sorry and embarrassed. Obama started it and everyone else has cranked it into overdrive, even profiting off it. BLM, SRT, athletes, and on and on.

Being a patriot in Leftist circle bubbles means you’re racist and white. Conservatives didn’t do that. LEFTISTS have done it because they want the country destroyed and rewritten to fit their new delusional ideal.

 

There are two kinds of esteem- peer esteem, and self esteem. Peer esteem is nice to have, but self esteem is vital, if you lack it you are never truly OK. The only way to get it is to earn it- from yourself.

For those who will not self-regulate, the concept of inhibiting crime requires intimidation with consequences. People sent to prison are deprived of freedom, as well as unable to prey on others while there. However, I doubt that it often corrects bad character. Often teaches the opposite. I do know that life in general teaches by the experience, that of connecting an action to a consequence. If they are shielded from consequence, they see the behavior as acceptable. This concerns me deeply, because of the riots and many crimes we've seen over the last year that did not result in efforts of prosecution and penalty. To those who hold society as responsible for regulating their behavior, that's a free pass. Proof of that is readily apparent in the massive increase in crimes of all kinds. A large percentage of those crimes come from the black community- in theory the same people who benefited from lax law enforcement.

The concept of deterrence is dependent on the penalty being unavoidable and swift. If a person touches something hot enough to really burn, they learn instantly and permanently. When the consequence is a long-odds thing, it's almost worthless. This is the situation with the death penalty. It usually takes 15 years or longer, and more often than not- never happens. There are so many "Ifs" involved- If you are caught, If you are prosecuted, If you are convicted, If you get the death penalty, If the years of appeals are unsuccessful, etc- It comes down to saying that if you murder someone, we may kill you 20 years from now.

We have a problem now that ha exploded in California, with organized gang store robbery- where a group runs into a store, grabs good and all leave within a couple minutes. Why?
California changed the threshold between petty theft and felony theft, raising it to $950. They literally don't investigate petty thefts, and if they are caught they are typically fined $500.
That also means that stealing a handgun will usually be seen as petty theft. No big deal to a person who lacks self-esteem.

Like it or not, if we make rules- we must enforce them or they mean nothing.

 

I basically agree with that, but it doesn't mean we should ignore the study of group behavior.

 

The only question I have is, what about the other 10%?

 

Your are right of course, but group behavior is a composite of individual behaviors of those in the group. It's sometimes more or less permissive, but of importance, the people in a group create the image of the group, which in turn alters the perception of the group and everyone that's part of it by others. When it comes to race, that is a major factor. It's actually the modern-day foundation of discrimination in my opinion as opposed to skin color.

If the majority of dog bites occurred with black dogs, everyone would look at all black dogs with caution, and avoid them. The same would be true if it was white dogs or brown dogs doing the biting, and it wouldn't change if the bad behavior was only present in 10% of those dogs. The perception of bad conduct in a group will taint everyone in the group to some degree. On the other hand, if a company found that their best workers were black, they would be actively seeking more black employees. The color- is what you make it. It can be negative- or positive.

Personally, I think the culture of the black community is the major factor today. I agree it wasn't 75 years ago, but a great deal has changed since then- except black behavior. In 1950, the homicide rate of blacks was 11 times that of whites. Today, the black community is 13% of our population but committing 53% of the murders, while the 87% non-black people commit 47% of the murders. Thus- little has changed in that parameter in 72 years. Nothing we do is going to change that; it is cultural within the black community. I don't mean they raise their children to be criminals- I mean they don't provide them with the environment that would make them responsible adults instead. Those that do work their asses off trying to offset the effect of their kids peers. There's a lot of data to back that up which I won't go into now. But the environment you grow up in has a great deal to do with forming your character and value systems; every psychologist will agree with that. A child needs role models that demonstrate consistent positive qualities and values.
Around 70% of black children are in single parent homes; most with unwed mothers- meaning they have no family structure. I agree it would be tough to grow up black. But it's impossible for people outside that group to change it, that is something only the black community can do. So long as they blame others and refuse to deal with that, nothing will change.

 

I live in a 98% Mexican population. First let me say, Mexican is a culture more than a race, there are lots of Mexicans whiter than me, and 2nd what most people of NA call "mexican" the mexicans further distinguish as Indios.. and they are generally looked down upon by most Mexicans.. which is why they love coming to the USA where they are not so discriminated against.
Now..am I discrimination against... yeah every day.. some good, some bad. Good is, as an anglo, I am more trusted than a fellow Mexican with property and money.. bad is Mexicans males have a hard time believing that a Mexican female would prefer and be loyal to a sissy gringo. also they have4 a default attitude that anglos think them inferior.. "dumb mexicans" is what they think we think. i'd say the observatiopns above mostly pertain to those Mexicans that speak little or poor english.
the most informative part of being a minority is seeing just how discrimination works.. and I say first and foremost is just not being included in conversations or social events. There is little overt discrimination.. I suppose once a lady in the serving line made sure to fish around for the worst serving of meat.. but other than that I either don't notice it any more or just don't care. I have made a living self-employed where there are no other self-employed Anglos.. best revenge on the bigots EVER!

Now right across the border, I am treated like a lord.... my white skin and fluency in Spanish accords me many privilege's!

 

I don't disagree...but then there is discrimination regarding the individual who does not fit the "group perception." That person suffers unfairly. This, of course, is the whole point...hoiw to ensure people are judged by their behavior and not the perception of their group.

 

Not even 1% actually...

 

And, CRT is simply the study of these interactions.

 

Based on what study?

 

All of them that look at the actual numbers. There are about a million arrest every year. Less than 1300 deaths. Deaths per arrest is a little more than a tenth of one percent. Of those 1300 hundred deaths less than 30 involve an unarmed victim. Note being in a moving vehicle and trying to run over a cop does not count as unarmed. Nor should telling the cops you're going to the car to retrieve a weapon.

 

It is conservatives running around acting like morons, waving their guns, and confederate flags, dressed in outlandish outfits that have made those who call themselves patriots look like a bunch of yokels.

 

Interesting. Can you name the study?

 

I grew up poor and actually ate weeds. Dandelion grew wild and no one was using herbicides back then. Now, dandelion is $5. a pound at Whole Foods!

 

Until a year ago, CRT was the obsolete technology upon which television screens once were, the Cathode Ray Tube.

Critical is a synonym of analyze.

 

What I gave were FBI numbers.

 

A million arrest sounds reasonable. Thirteen hundred deaths, a little less reasonable. Thirty...? Nah. Chicago has more than that.

 

While that is a laudable idea, it's also one we are unlikely to ever accomplish. You can change laws a lot easier than you can change minds and opinions.
What I would like to see from black leadership is the acknowledgment of the facts here, and some effort to address it. That would of course take decades, but until that starts I doubt much will change in the perception of most people. I agree that the good people in that community are burdened with the view resulting from the bad- but if nothing changes within the community, I doubt anything will change outside it.
I've known some fine black people, I know they aren't all the same, anymore than we are. But the same discrimination is true in reverse; black people often have fixed, unjust views of whites.

If a white person were to seek a demonstration of racism, just take a walk through a black community or go into a black nightclub. I don't seriously recommend that because it can be dangerous in many cities.

 

We seem to be going in circles...that's what CRT is about and my point about "the prejudice gene." And, yes, of course it works both ways.

 

Slavery, Redlining, drug laws targeting blacks with higher jail time, Jim Crow laws, Segregation, discrimination, no group of people have been treated so bad for so long as the black people in USA.

 

As you said, babies appear to be born color blind. But I think in some of those same studies, they were able to tell right from wrong or bad from good.
But I don't see color as right/wrong/good/bad. Do you? Or aware that may be the case?

 

No. I am wondering whether or not "difference" was originally an instinctual early warning signal...reinforced by learned behavior one way or the other?

 

At what age, I would think babies are completely unaware of differences due to skin color. They'd just think it as normal, wouldn't they?
Just like blond or brown hair.