Prof. Noam Chomsky - Washington's Propaganda Is Orwellian

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  1. Ethereal

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    His point is that international law only "exists" when the US government wants it to exist, otherwise it ignores it altogether. It's about the hypocrisy and phoniness of the DC political class.
     
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    Like when Italian Carabinieri forced the US Delta Force in Sicily to renounce to capture a terrorist who was the object of an international case for Italian authorities? Reagan [Reagan! The President, not Carter] was forced by Italy to withdraw the Delta Force ... Check the crisis at Sigonella
     
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    The Italian government is fully complicit in the US government's imperialist crimes. Italy is the base of operations for NATO's false flag program, for starters.

    [video=youtube;GGHXjO8wHsA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA[/video]
     
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    You're entitled to express your opinion ...
     
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    Have you seen the recent thing John Oliver did where he asked people in Times Square about Snowden?
    No functional human being in the US, or anywhere in the developed world could possibly have missed the Snowden drama. It went on for weeks, and involved all kinds of spooky spy stuff.

    Yet 2 years later, no one seems to have a clue what happened.

    People forgot because people don't care.

    It's negligence more than ignorance.
     
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    yes, you mean this one the part that proves my point is at the 12:00 mark:

    [video=youtube;XEVlyP4_11M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M[/video]

    that's mainly my point is that its not negligence it is ignorance. They did have a vague clue of who he was and most seemed to mix him up with julian assange http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

    they weren't informed, so you can see that the information is simultaneously available but because it's not discussed or is considered something too "avoid" talking about like how it was once illegal (before Obama) too show military coffins on tv
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html

    the american people are largely ignorant, 5% of them can't even find america on a map, it's not that they don't "care" its that they are not well informed because the news is largely controlled by the profit motive meaning they show what gets ratings not what is important, and what that get's you, is a largely entertained and happy population but an incredibly ignorant one http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/pdf/FINALReport2006GeogLitsurvey.pdf


    how can someone be expected to care about something they don't know about?
     
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    Good luck with that then. Your nations elite want to continue plundering the rest of the world.

    Still, if you have the clout to change their minds please go ahead. The rest of the world will thank you for it.
     
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    Let's not discuss the secret installation of US Jupiter nuclear medium range ballistic missiles in Turkey and Italy five months earlier in April 1962, eh Luke?
     
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    Since when was Chomsky a history professor?

    Last I heard he was a career professor of linguistics.

    He was never a social philosopher either he was merely a far left wing commentator and communist sympathizer and apologist.
     
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    If you want ... anyway as you can see, we are reminding cases in which both the superpowers ignored any eventual "international law" [and international authority]. This should suggest you something ...
     
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    Like when US forces in Iraq shot and killed SISMI agent Nicola Calipari during the rescue of kidnapped Italian journalist, Giulana Sgrena in what Sgrena later ventured the opinion that she might have been deliberately targeted by US forces because of the way she had been released and becuase, according to her partner, she had information that the US didn't want known - specifically their use of banned weapons in Fallujah. Although incredibly angry with the US for the killing, Berlusconi agreed to bury the case - and not reveal evidence contradicting the US official report - out of sake of US-Italian friendship.
     
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    Ah yes, Luke. Powers ignore the law when it suits them and also use it when it suits them. But not just international law. Domestic law too.

    These practises speak of the duplicity, cynicism and hypocrisy of power in all glory.
     
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    Have you ever read Machiavelli? We can say that substantially power acts like he thought. We can have a political leaderships more sensible to social matters and to the interests and the right of the people than other leaderships, but when it comes time to manage international politics ... I cannot remind altruistic powers renouncing to their interests to avoid to increase tenses or worse a conflict ... may be I'm mindless.
     
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    I remember that case and the mess on the medias. Italy and US in that moment shared the same strategical interests, I guess that was the reason why we didn't "disturb" the Americans ...
     
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    Yep, although I doubt that the Calipiri family ever wished to thank the Buffoon for his strategical generosity. Still, when your allies purposely kill your people to protect their secret law breaking what else are you going to do -- other than go to war or kill one of their intelligence guys in retribution. The options are limited
     
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    If the U.S. were really 'plundering' the 'rest of the world' it wouldn't allow your country to survive.
     
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    There are alternatives ... a Justice Court in Milan has condemned a dozen of CIA agents without great diplomacy, just to say ... but single episodes don't touch the solidity of the relations between two allies. May be in Russia it works otherwise ...
     
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    Or alternatively if he was a certain Israeli nuclear technician would have spent a couple of decades in an Israeli dungeon.
     
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    Well let's see your attempts at debunking any of his historical facts.
     
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    Nobody is counting Putin-bots' lies anymore. Their whole case justifying Russia's undeclared dirty aggression against Ukraine is pure lie. This misrepresentation of Chomsky's credentials pales in comparison. It does demonstrate how low they have fallen though
     
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    There was no such mis representation

    - - - Updated - - -

    He states no facts he states opinions learn the difference.
     
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    It's impossible to live and breathe and socialize as a modern human, English speaking world without having heard of the Snowden affair to some extent. It's just not possible.

    Every single one of those people interviewed MUST have heard of Snowden, they simply chose to forget.
     
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    How funny are you.

    Our tiny country is your main military ally and provides the second largest contingent of military forces in virtually every war Washington decides to start.

    Besides this, you need to do some serious research about Little America UK - namely the Isle of Dogs - as your knowledge base about how the real world works is really poor.
     
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    Ha! You and your anti-Russia hyperbole, Luke... :)

    But it's the same here too. For the time being Europe is in lock step (and lockjaw) with the US. But things are slowly changing and I foresee the day when little old Italy and the UK and the rest of Europe migrate away from Washington's influence - especially once the dollar loses its global reserve currency status -- 20 years tops I would estimate. It'll be like rats leaving a sinking ship, once the European elite see the economic benefit of turning to Asia. And this will only go to prove that allies stay loyal only so long as it's to their economic benefit. Greed is a terrible thng on which to base a sound friendship, I think.
     

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