Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes quits 'extremist' far-right group? WTF

What amazes me is how they vilify "Nazis" by of all things yelling they are anti fascists. But when will they vilify Mussolini? When will they express their hate against Italians?

Antifa are hooligans. Nothing more than gangsters. You can be completely innocent yet they will do bodily harm to you. They will punch you. They use clubs on those they hate. They do end up in jail But why do Democrats so proudly ally with their brothers in arms?

 

They are not conservatives. They do not represent republicans. Antifa represents Democrats.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/antifa-activist-faces-jail-time-for-nazi-punching/

According to D.C. court records (case number 2017 CMD 006994) on Dec. 5, 2017, Ramsey-Laree was sentenced to 60 days of confinement and two years of probation. The 60-day jail term was suspended.

But Ramsey-Laree couldn’t stay out of legal trouble.

He was arrested and charged with possession of an open container of alcohol, escape, and resisting arrest in connection with an incident at Freedom Plaza near the White House on Dec. 12, 2017, according to an affidavit by police officer Kyle Shanberg.

On April 24, 2018, Ramsey-Laree’s probation was revoked and he was ordered to serve the formerly suspended 60-day custodial sentence.

Ramsey-Laree has an extensive arrest record in his home state of Virginia.

According to public records available at Nexis, Ramsey-Laree has been arrested for assault three times in Virginia: in December 2010, July 2013, and June 2015. He was arrested in September 2012 and August 2016 for marijuana possession.

He was arrested in October 2014 for trespassing and destruction of property worth more than $1,000. He was arrested in February 2014 and October 2014 for intentional damage to a monument. He was arrested in August 2014 for obstructing justice and resisting arrest and in March 2015 for violating the conditions of his probation.

Now Ramsey-Laree has 60 days to reflect on the error of his ways.

Matthew Vadum

 

Proud boys are not primarily violent.

 

You have to get into a major fight in order to be initiated, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Every stat says the west is the best. What are you contending?

 

Its not hatred against a people, its hatred against an ideology, namely fascism and all of its iterations whether it is Nazism in Germany or Mussolini's Italian Fascism. All are garbage.

No, gangs are organized crime syndicates based around the distribution and selling of an illegal commodity, antifascists are people who think the only way to deal with Nazis is to go and punch them in the face.

Where is the Democrat-Antifa alliance? Antifa lines up with other counter protesters against the fascists, but that doesn't mean there is any organization or cohesion, just a common enemy being engaged with different and divergent tactics.

 

Look none of them holding anything related to fascism, unlike the Unite the Right rally which you refuse to engage with.

 

No that is incorrect. I think you mean Antifa requires that.

Antifa is so violent they came to a group protecting two major works of art in Charlottesville to destroy both. The group that created the two statues had no way to be connected to nazis.

 

Every stat shows the West is in decline, that its domination of the world was unnatural and based upon an exploitative approach to the rest of the world's populations, and now that legacy of greed and oppression is coming home to roost. I'm not claiming any culture is the best, just rightly pointing out that every culture especially the West has its load of rubbish and horrors which are attributed to it which should cause use to look with pause to the whole cultural enterprise. The cultural and intellectual traditions of the West need to be learned from, but our goal should be to move beyond geographical ethnocentricity and look toward understanding reality more accurately and achieving the best outcomes given the historical arrangements find ourselves situated with.

 

No, that's literally one of the conditions of joining proud boys.

The Proud Boys reportedly have a four-step initiation process. It starts with a prospect declaring himself a “Proud Boy,” suiting up in Fred Perry polo shirts with yellow stripes—similar to those worn by skinheads.

The second degree is a “cereal beat-in” during which the new member is punched and beaten by current members until the plebe can rattle off the names of five cereals (you know, Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies, Cheerios!)

The third degree reported involves “adhering to the masturbation regimen and getting a tattoo,” blogger Will Sommer wrote in a recent post.

Since then, a fourth-degree has been added to the initiation ritual – brawling with antifascists at public rallies.

Chapman said his Proud Boys’ affiliate, Alt-Knights, are ready to take it to the streets.

“Our emphasis will be on street activism, preparation, defense and confrontation,” he said. “We will protect and defend our right wing brethren when the police and government fail to do so.”

Chapman says his organization “is for those that possess the Warrior Spirit. The weak or timid need not apply.”
Source: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/04/25/new-fight-club-ready-street-violence

The Fascists are so violent that they actually murdered someone in Charlottesville. Antifa came to confront a group of people wanting to unite the Right under a fascist brand, with the slogans of Blood and Soil revived and chanted as they gathered around the statues with their tiki torches. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

I would argue and win the argument that there are no genuine organized Nazis in America.

They can try to mimic the old Nazis but as with black face, that mimicry does not mean they are black people. They want you to think they are Nazis. They do not cut the grade.

Antifascists should fight the italians were they to be true antifascists. So they are dumb-smacks who are too stupid to learn what a fascist is.

Well, leave it to you to defend Antfascists. I do not plan to join your defense of them.

My appreciation of those that arrived to protect a valuable historical resource does not mean chants ty them against the Jews are shared by me. I do not consider all anti Jews to be antifascists. Arabs are muslims but against the Jews. A great defender of the Muslims are the American Democrats in fact.

To destroy such art, to demolish history is just how the nazis operated. And that is all that your pals the antifascists wanted done.

This might shock you, but you do not get to choose the politics of other nations. A lot of Democrats allege when Bush did it to two countries, Democrats used two faces. Face one was totally against both Saddam Hussein and the Taliban but when Bush defeated both, suddenly Saddam and the Taliban has his best friends living in the US who hated Bush for defeating two dictatorships.

While the opposition chants no Jews will replace them, frankly do you want to be replaced by Jews? If so, why?

 

Why tell untruths when you can do as I did to learn the actual truth. They are excellent at explaining themselves. So many lies get told about them that the lies told to favor antifascist come to mind.

The proud boys. By the way,. Even the most McGinnis would admit is he was the first member of a group he denies leading. If you asked Chapman, he probably also denies being the leader.

A common feature against Antifascists is they pretend they are excellent people as do their political party leadership but others are dirty low down Son's of guns. When I read defenses of Antifa I am reminded again of Germany's brownshirts, the operation put out of business by Hitler.

As to claims they have a ritual of initiation, how about males that engage in boxing?

So now we are all informed that to Democrats boxers such as Joe Louis, Cassius Clay, aka Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, Tommy Hearns, George Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard and more, are thugs who live to fight men and put them out even if it means a life long injury, are extremely evil men.

 

It's like they are immune to history.

 

Poster asks me if I want to be replaced by Jews, stop the thread, game over.

 

I don't know who he is, but I'm pretty sure he's....

 

Who do you believe is our superior? Who promoted them to the world leader?

 

I am showing the forum you love to talk, so long as the talk is incorrect.

 

Do you rate the antifa as also nuts?

 

They truly are immune to actual history. They call Americans Nazis and praise the atifas who do not fight the Fascists, but pretend they fight Nazis. I believe they actually believe in the Italian Fascists.

 

You are showing your own tone deafness, there is no threat of Jews replacing us, nor is the "us" as a racial construct valid. There is no redemptive narrative where such chants are not blatantly Nazi. You claim there is no such Nazi organizations in the US, as if there are any differences however small that these will render them utterly different in terms of political taxonomy. No, they generally have the same views, same enemies and same conspiracies as they did in the past just a varied approach on optics.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...populist-facist-donald-trump-us-a8259621.html

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/fi...rump-retweets-post-likening-him-to-mussolini/

https://www.businessinsider.com/don...-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...thizers/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bf6178861b37

I know perfectly well what a fascist is, and Trump is surely a wannabe fascist stuck inside a Constitutional Republican system with a historically empowered presidency.

 

Let's review what McGinnes informed the world and quit with this nonsense put forth by his enemies. By the way, when would they plan to be the enemy to Antifa?

 

I don't hold any population of humans is superior to another, that we should recognize the world as it is, address the problems that we can see in a collaborative way across cultures and nations. I think humanity must do this in order to survive in this world, and that we need to see ourselves on a larger earth sized scale than just the fiction of the nation, which is useful and important but is at the end of the day a human cultural cognitive construct. I think this needs to be much more Democratic though, the oligarchies from empowered Corporations dominate too much power in the world and decisions need to be made on the behalf of the many and not the few.

 

A violent gang led by those alleging to be anti fascist does not mean they told the truth.

They appear to have worked their magic on the Democratic party that actually believes their nonsense.

Say as president Abe Lincoln declared himself to be a confederate since he defeated them who would sit still for that reaming out of the public?

Who would stop believing the propaganda of Obama were he to suddenly declare he lost his allegiance to the Democrats.

We know why McGinnis disavows the proud boys. The court system forced it on the man.

The Nazis of Germany actually were extremely powerful. We have no American nazi equivalent. They talk a game, but it remains a weak group shouting into the wind they are important. But we Americans do not believe shouts into the wind mean much at all. Democrats shout into the wind and yet a good many do not support Democrats much less their shouts into the wind.

 

I read into your statements a few things you perhaps do not realize you said.
1. You are superior to the wealthy, the corporations, those you call the oligarchies and perhaps others.
2. Somebody must take charge, and the damned republicans shall never take charge.
3. A form of communism at worst and perhaps at best socialists will rule the world.
4. Saying democracy does not actually mean democracy but a controlling class of humans. Check your final line to prove I am accurate.