Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes quits 'extremist' far-right group? WTF

Huh

 

You can always count on a leftists to over exaggerate the worth of a piece of paper.

 

It's clear you're not familiar with Saul Alinsky and his 'Rules For Radicals".

Years ago Leftists want to protest some Republican Party members holding a rally and were prepared to go there to disrupt the meeting. Alinsky said that's the wrong approach. The thing to do is dress up like the KKK and show your loud approval and support for these people.

They did the same tactic with the Tea Party and now this 'Unite The Right' nonsense, organized by a former OWS member and a supporter of Barack Obama.

Just because you see some idiots giving the Heil Hitler salute don't jump to the conclusion that they are 'right wing nazis'. That's what you're supposed to think, of course, but some serious research is necessary before forming any definite opinions.

 

Alinsky!!!

 

Lol, did you research the Unite the Rally before you posted this wall of text? There was no leftist tactic used here, you just don't like that these people are indeed Right Wingers. I've heard this all a million times, "IT ALL ALINSKY."

News flash, racism and white supremacy is alive and well in America and in Europe for that matter.

 

Right Wingers where I used to post would also vaguely refer to Alinsky and claim everything they didn't like was simply an Alinsky tactic.

 

I don't see a discussion above my reply.

 

In fact I did do some research, and not much is required. Of course you can believe whatever you choose but, without facts, this makes any sort of debate difficult.

 

Which is the same tactic used against us. Some of the most bigoted posts show up authored by Democrats.

 

Is it your understanding that Alinsky never had a strategy for the left? Are you familiar with his book "Rules For Radicals".

 

Have you read his work and his relationship with, for one, Hillary Clinton? It's based largely on the idea of how to dupe people in order to advance the leftist agenda. It's very clever, insightful, and effective.

 

You are correct but somev people do not know the diference .

 

Because ANTIFA today is the same as it was in 1932?

 

That's about the size of it.

None of these people ever heard of Saul Alinsky until right wing blogs and talk radio hosts brought his name up during the 2008 Presidenital campaign. It was part of their campaign to paint Barack Obama as a wild eyed radical. Of course, the Limbaughlooney set bought it.

It worked well enough to make the term "Alinsky rules" or "Alinsky tactics" part of the catalog of right wing buzz words.

Most of them couldn't tell you who Saul Alinsky was, or even give you an example of an "Alinsky rule".

It's a slogan. It means nothing, but it makes the bobble heads nod every time.

 

...funded by Soros!

 

Alinsky was even more LITERALLY Hitler than Trump.

 

Plus he fought for social justice and the rights of poor people of color.

That's positively un-American!

 

I had never even heard of Alinsky until the RW Fever Swampers kept using his name (repetitively) on this forum.

Anyway, back on topic, McInnes is a Major Tool.

 

I believe his group got out of hand. He started it as a goof and it took off. When a group gets that big it cannot be controlled. Antifa has done the same thing. It started off as a bunch of protestors and now has became a hate group.

Gavin McInnes is a provocateur. He is mostly a comedian. It was cool that the Proud Boys were beating the snot out of antifa. Looks like some bad elements have joined.

This is something I have been thinking about lately and may post a thread in the Opinion section soon.

 

In your research, did you find evidence the Unite the Right Rally was fake and that those participating were faking it? If not, this whole Alinsky thing is just a red herring.

 

Evidence? I have several quotes from Right Wing posters her advocating for everything, from justifying racism, mass executions of leftists, open support for Fascism. And I haven't really been actively posting here until recently, so that's a small sample size and already I have encountered plenty on this very size.

 

You did research and the best you could come up with is an irrelevant red herring pet argument from other Righties? Surely in your research which you claim was extensive, you uncovered evidence that the rally was fake and set up by the Left. Can you present this evidence?

And I have done plenty of research on this event, and know it was genuine which is why I am calling BS on your red herring argument.

 

Its tied to their Communist New World Order conspiracy, heck to some of them I bet they think we're paid by Soros or by shady leftwing organizations which want to institute a globalist communist system that destroys their culture and seeks the eradication of the white race via replacement by open borders in this globalist utopia. These are the tactics we are told that these globalist neo-cultural-marxists use in order to subvert Conservatism and destroy the nation state and culture in the process. That instead of leading a vanguard revolution, the Left is trying to destroy American culture in order to undermine the Capitalist system of private ownership, and centralize everything under the globalist communist system.

This conspiracy theory in some form or other is accepted by almost every single Conservative I encounter, and it is not unlike the conspiracy theories used in the past by fascists.

"It [Marxism] is not only anti-bourgeois, it is anti-cultural. It means, in the final consequence, the absolute destruction of all economic, social, state cultural, and civilizing advances made by western civilization for the benefit of a rootless and nomad international clique of conspirators,"
-Joseph Goebbels

"The doctrine of Marxism repudiates the aristocratic principle of Nature and substitutes for it the eternal privilege of force and energy, numerical mass and its dead weight. Thus it denies the individual worth of the human personality, impugns the teaching that nationhood and race have a primary significance, and by doing this it takes away the very foundation of human existence and human civilization. If the Marxist teaching were to be accepted as the foundation of life of the universe, it would lead to the disappearance of all order that is conceivable to the human mind. And thus the adoption of such a law would provoke chaos in the structure of the greatest organism that we know, with the result that the inhabitants of this earthly planet would finally disappear."
-Adolff Hitler

Fascists like to cast themselves as heroes of the West or heroes of Humanity by their opposition of Marxism, which they think would result in the annihilation of humanity if international Communism was implemented. History is always taught in such a way that casts the Nazis as hideously cruel people that you would never want to join, but on the inside of the group they saw themselves as part of a great collective project which was to be the most beautiful thing in the world. Evil is never revealed in the world as some kind of Voldemort or Darth Vader, the Nazi's brutality was borne from a utopian vision. The connection between trying to implement the perfect society and terror is well founded historically, and the Fascists who require total unity and the abolition of political partisanship and class conflict definitely lean strongly on brutality as an instrument to this end.

 

It's difficult to prove if it was fake or not fake. I'd say look at the organizers and judge for yourself. But also realize that you might be being played. Look at all this stuff with some skepticism, knowing the way propaganda works and the boogieman fears of 'the right wing'. Just say the words and people tremble, and they'll have no idea what the issues might be.

I heard a commentator claim today that Mitch McConnell was 'extreme right wing'.

 

Didn't you say you watched the video for just five minutes?