Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes quits 'extremist' far-right group? WTF

I'm familiar with gross anti-Semitism, and even I did a double-take.

Wild stuff.

 

^ Ironic.

 

No, I am a Democrat, and therefore reject Corporatism and Oligarchy, it doesn't meant these individuals are not equal citizens who have rights to due process of the law or are not acting in such a way that is rational within the confines of their interests and roles within those organizations. Its not a superiority complex, its a difference of political philosophy in that I think the people should be in control of what is happening in society and that the interests of the wealthy and powerful should not supersede that democratic mandate from the people.

People need to work together, no single leader or movement is the answer, we need large scale action and collaboration to manage the issues we are facing today.

I am neither a Communist or Socialist, nor did I suggest there should be only one nation to rule over the world. I am a Social Democrat who believes we have to more significantly internationally collaborate economically and politically to manage the challenges we face in this world.

A controlling class of humans, right they are called CITIZENS who operate a government by and for the people.

 

^ Srs forum win.

 

Educated doesn't mean intelligence

 

I have here and other places condemned the tactics of the antifascists, but also taken note of their proper motivations as it concerns opposing fascism which I am somewhat sympathetic to as is obvious by my disdain of fascists, but I think their tactics fall into the hands of the fascists in that they give them possible credence for suspending the rule of law, which threatens the entire system. All political violence should be condemned, it has no place in a civil society unless utter tyranny has befallen the country.

McGinnis is largely irrelevant, his correction at trying to fix the optics on this one is just because Republicans are desperately trying to increase their appeal in preparation for 2020, but the agenda is all the same.

The Nazis were not all that powerful until there was an economic great depression and a total collapse of the center, they then gained control over law enforcement and finally with the burning of the Reichstag set in motion their totalitarian take over of the government. They once in 1922 had a failed wimpy little revolution called the Beer Hall Putsch, which failed utterly. The Weimar Republic is less robust, and we have not sustained a major crisis economically or geopolitically yet, what I fear is the direction the Right is going which is empowering these White Supremacist/European Supremacist groups to become more prominent in Trump's base and thus more prominent in the Republican Party.

They would be more significant were it not for the terrorist threat posed by these Nazis and fascists, as well as the fascist inclinations of this white house. Antifa on that note is comparatively weak, but does pose problems of their own for the system, and the possible empowering of these elements in society should be a real concern.

 

You can always count on a Right Winger to denigrate education.

 

I have for sometime noticed you argue by attacking me. And you are clueless as to the low level of power your arch enemies have in real life. It is as if you claim the sky is falling but fail to prove it is falling.

Even though I disavow the antifascists, which you have yet to do, and more you pretend they are our best chance against the alleged nazis, which I also do not believe shines a light on you and on me.

When in the Army in the early 1960s, I believed the nazis were beaten. I did not fear the nazis but I did fear the Soviets. The Soviets had tanks in the tens of thousands plus nuclear bombs, Nazis have none of that. To me, they are a loud mouth group. The Democrats as well. A loud mouth might impress Democrats but does not impress me.

Do not waste your time living in fear of the nazis. If they do get powerful and obtain tanks and bombs, we have experts that watch that kind of crapola who will take action. Sleep well. No Nazis are under your bed.

 

Actually Captain Sobel, i would say he did not denigrate education but claims education is not intelligence.

 

Inaccurate reduction of my rebuttal, I castigate your moral tone deafness in this thread, while at the same time decimating your revisionist arguments on fascists which are all too common on this site.

I'm not ignorant of history so I'm concerned, when the Capitalists have to choose between Socialists who want to democratize private property of the Capitalists, they turn to the fascists when the center gives way. I'm not saying the sky is falling right now, I am saying we are setting up the conditions for the emergence of widespread truly openly hideous forms of fascism into our societies with the polarization that is going on and the way the established consensus is failing.

This is false.

Me:

False again!

Me again:

I don't think they are our best chances against the fascists, not by a long shot, I think their tactics help the fascists.

Your misrepresentation of my position, to the degree of blatant falsehood shines quite a light.

Yes, your thinking does appear to be a relic of an outmoded world that doesn't understand history. We might be looking at a great depression in the West, and this will greatly empower extremist elements in the political sphere. What may be of little power today, could be of major significance before you know it.

I thought Antifa were the Nazis and were a big deal, now there are no Nazis and nothing to worry about?

 

I don't know. Do you have a video of the Antifa founder?

 

Of course there is no threat from the Jews. And no such thing as a threat from the so called nazis.) Do you understand that the McGinnis group played no role in violence? The media calls out the white nationalists. McGinnes admits to one thing only. They support Trump. But do not support those alleged to be white nationalists.

The media reports the men with the torches came from a number of groups. But since when is it a bad thing to support state law?

From the media. (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...erate-statue-black-shroud-20170823-story.html)

The Tribunes claim the law is ambiguous is not ambiguous. A judge ruled the statues must remain.

Antifa holds no right to public property in clear violation of law.

They were wrong to fight to destroy the public monuments. I have been to Monticello and not into Charlottesville, but saw some of the Lee statues in Richmond and other places like Gettysburg, PA. There is nothing at all wrong with statues that call forth a memory of history.

 

I can't pinpoint a so called founder of the group being discussed here.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-intimate-history-of-antifa

Let's try to perform the miracle of today.

 

Antifa are a bunch of bully pin heads. I do not respect them one bit.

Again, another blatant attack on me.

Read what you allege.

Vote: Robert was attacked
Robert was not attacked.
The votes will be tallied up at least within 7 days

 

Absolutely absurd, voting on reality within an echo chamber. Have fun with that.

 

It's projection.

 

Proud Boys were stalling AntiFa's grand efforts of immolating themselves in the public image. AntiFa were widely viewed as moronic thugs until the Proud Boys gave the media an 'enemy' with which to paint AntiFa in a sympathetic light.

I hate the idea of letting these pathetic losers continue to gang up on old women and the disabled, but the only thing that can hurt their movement so long as the media has their back is themselves.

 

This is a childish, simplistic, and clearly dishonest construct.

The Nazis in Germany are not the topic of this thread. You know it too. Trying to pretend that your army experience from 50 years ago, when you did not fight Nazis is meaningless here, and you know it as well as everyone else on this thread does.

The treat is from the rise of marginal right wing groups INSIDE the US into positions of such prominence that they are making headlines for the first time since the early 1940's.

Proud Boys and a host of other ultra right wing pseudo facist groups have been on the rise in the US since the US elected a black man President in 2008.

The explosion of out in the open bigotry is plain for people all over the world to see.

The crescendo was when pseudo Nazis staged a torchlight rally right out of Nazi propaganda films in the shadow of Thomas Jefferson (the day before one of them drove his car into a crowd of people).

And then, they were tacitly endorsed by the President of the United States, a man who built his entire candidacy on bigotry and white resentment.

That same President built his identity and his candidacy on the same appeals that Hitler made, racial resentment, uber nationalism, bigotry and racial intolerance, jingoism and fear. Like the other famous facist, he has denigrated the institutions of our government and attempted to undermine the rule of law.But unlike that other famous facist, he has material aid in his political and business career from the intelligence agencies of a rival nation, a nation that sees installing a leader in the US who will undermine the nation's institutions and disavow the rule of law as in its long term interests.

Fortunately, Trump is not focused enough on being a leaders to follow through. He's a reality TV show act, and not much more.

And that, along with the collective incompetence of the people around him are our salvation.

Donald Trump is a warning. A smarter and more ambitious man may someday take the same low road that Trump took, and succeed in harnessing and undermining the press, the party and coopt the powerful. Trump isn't going to be able to pull that off.

But someone in the future could. And that would be the end of democracy in America.

We have already disgraced ourselves., undermined our credibility as world leaders, betrayed our values and gone down a dark road dominated by fear and bigotry.

If there was ever any doubt that it can happen here, Donald Trump is a warning that it can.

 

Gavin McInnes is a wannabe political celebrity, like that other slimeball Milos, who was the darling of the talk radio far right for a few months.

Milos hasn't fared too well in that regard. He's still around, but he's confined to the lunatic fringe that he once courted as his launching pad to celebrity.

McInness doesn't want to wind up there.

 

Robert was not attacked.

(Except maybe in his own mind.)

 

^ It's ironic.

 

Some good points.

But Jefferson was scum.

 

^ Possible thread win.

 

Ooooh. That's a good one.

 

I've seen worse posts from you, and I've seen better. This one falls into the former.