Can the words from the Koran, the passages you are referring to, but did not quote, be interpreted by a reasonable mind to mean something totally different than you interpretation? That is, can they be interpreted to mean love the other person as you love yourself? Or even to be accepting of other people who are of a different religion? Live and let live. Can you interpret that scripture you read to mean something other than what you see in it? How far would you have to bend over backward, how great must you convolute in order to get a non violent, tolerate meaning from that scripture you read? I think if we look at the fact that most Islamic nations in the middle east live by Islamic law, and they execute offenders of that law found in the Koran. How do they interpret those laws, which end up in chopping off heads, whipping the offender to death? Do they interpret those that might make them less primitive to westerners? Do ya think if you walked your arse up in Mecca, that they would interpret their law that would end up very badly for the non muslim who walked into Mecca. And yet you have some of these so called liberals, take up for these anachronisms from the 8th century. And its always in interpretation, even as the scripture in question does not have a mystical side to them, that can lead to other interpretations. Sometimes scripture is literal, and can only be taken literally.
When you call non Muslims the enemy and the evil ones there is not much room left for interpretation.
context is rarely of interest to those who's minds are already made up, be it in religion or politics.
My view is read the book literally as true and as if your a minority who would take an extreme view if the religion is good then extremists would just be more good and not do evil. If it in fact does more likely support evil acts then the religion is likely a threat to society and shouldn't be accepted. Examples: Wicca = Good faith the whole harm none do what you will is kind of hard to abuse. Koran = Bad faith if say 10% of the faith took the edicts verbatim and acts on them you have people killed for no good reason that is enough to discredit the Koran. I can do this with other books.
Reading the Qu'ran means nothing. Understanding what it is saying is what is important. People read the Bible and still don't understand what it is saying. I've read both. The Bible I understand. The Qu'ran is a hotchpot of rambling sayings - to me anyway.
Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity (they're 99% the same) have a depth that Protestants and Muslims lack. Islam in particular is so superficial and childish.
Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity have depth in ritual and man made doctrine for their practioners. Islam also relies on indoctrination. Most Protestants reject ritual in depth and rely, not on priests, but on personal contact with their 'god'. Ex Christian - now agnostic.
Muslims in our country are pretty well behaved. Maybe they are trying to get away from all of that crap. It is true a lot of them hate Americans. - - - Updated - - - Which came first the chicken or the egg?
I was obviously talking about theology. Orthodox and Catholic theology has a long philosophical tradition that Islam and Protestantism lack.
So why do Muslims sacrifice goats if there is no blood sacrifice? Isn't that just a distinction without difference?
Reading the Quran lets me interpret it instead of relying on others. So far it seems very harsh and attempts to control your every action in life both. It sets down laws more like a government than a religion. - - - Updated - - - They bring that crap with them to a large extent
I think it has to do with envy, not envy of our versions of the Bible, but envy over the civilization that we created and that they want for themselves, the civilization that they emulate. They want everything we have except our version of religion. Wrath is cruel, anger is outrageous, but who can stand before envy. Proverbs 27:4
Agreed. But the Imam will tell you that's because you don't understand it, or the reason for these things.
What came first the chicken or the egg is such a simplistic adage, yet no one can answer it. I think it might be considered proof that God exists.
They don't sacrifice goats or any other animals. Wait.. you are talking about the Eid feast.. Do you consider a Christmas turkey to be blood sacrifice for sins?
For the same reason Jews sacrifice some animals. Not as sin offerings, but as thank offerings. Islam celebrates 'Allah' stopping Ibrahim from killing Ishmael. A perversion of the story of Abraham and Isaac. It is only a 'sacrifice' in the sense of giving something as thanks.
Off topic (as usual) but your avatar: Eurabia includes Ireland? Muslims are going to look pretty silly wearing kilts. That is an ugly map.
They are reenacting what Abraham did instead of sacrificing his son, so yeah it is a sacrifice to God. And the Christmas turkey isn't universal to all Christian like the goat is to muslims. I'm a practicing catholic and I haven't eaten a turkey for the last 30 years... I prefer pig nuckles ragou, meat pie and ham for my "reveillon" as we call it here with a big helping of potato salad and macaroni salad followed by a big helping of christmas "buche" (log) with jello and ice cream for desert...
Eurabia is going to be what happens when the religious pansies and *******s keep allowing in refugees. - - - Updated - - - No. It's clearly proof that Zeus exists.
They are commemorating the story of Abraham ... with a feast day.. Not sacrificing to God. They think that when God called off the sacrifice of Isaac or Ishmael, he was forbidding blood sacrifice forever.. Its just a feast day.. like you might serve lamb at Easter or Goose at Christmas.
By sacrificing a lamb... The lamb was a sacrifice. And here the muslim do the killing themselves as a ritual. They pay farmer for the lamb and for the use of their land and they cut the throat of the lamb themselves while praying. If it wasn't a sacrifice they would just go to the butcher and buy a lamb roast instead of doing it themselves. City dwelling christian don't drive to the country, pay a farmer for the animal and the use of one of its field and cut the throat of an animal while screaming prayer at the top of their lung (And yes I've personnaly saw muslims do this). So yeah, it's a sacrifice. And there is no OR. Isaac was the one who was supposed to be sacrifice. The muslims don't get to rewrite the story thousands of year after the fact to fit their narative. Both the jews and Christian says it was Isaac and since islam is only a derivative of the other two then Isaac it is.
This is getting off-subject, but It has been answered in a book, The Two State Universe, by a man whose last name is Molinero. Nature can't produce chickens without eggs, and you can't normally get fertile eggs without a hen and a rooster. The latter two came first. I would not be surprised if a study of the history behind the development of the Koran showed a lot of contribution from the Prophet's associates and later followers. It is now obvious that the main thrust of Islam is political consolidation and control, comparable to the grip achieved by Roman Catholicism. It was necessary to hitch Christianity to the Roman Empire in order to get it spread far and wide, but is there some sort of progressive cure in being overwhelmed by Sharia Law? Something that disgusting is more like one step forward and three steps back. Here is what Bill Warner has to say about it. The Prophet had only 150 followers after 13 years of pursuing his benign Mecca version of the Koran. Then he switched to the dastardly Medina version and had 100,000 followers after another ten years. Islam is backed by 3 texts: Koran, Sira, and Hadith. Total average content concerning the Kafir (nonbeliever) is 60%, and its not all nice. Mecca Koran is 0% Jihad. Medina Koran + Sira+ Hadith total average is 37.5% Jihad. Grand total average anti-Jew is 9.3%, which is more than Mein Kampfs 7%. According to Islam, Moses did not appeal to the pharaoh for release of Hebrew slaves. He appealed for recognition as a prophet. The purpose of Jesus was not to be a crucified, resurrected savior but to prophesize the coming of Ahmed Mohammed. Muslims are generally benign but in countries in which Islam has imposed Sharia Law, the populations of all other religions are decimated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9sYgqRtZGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
Heresy. Utter and total heresy. By the way: where did the hen and rooster come from, since they spring from eggs too? I don't think the question can be answered. What in the world is a Two State Universe? Sounds a little corny--like string theory.
