I do not understand all of your sentences. Please proof read your posts. My post which you answered is completely in the context of international debate. For these patterns, it does not matter whether you think someone isn't a real muslim, who's corrupted or whatnot. In fact, we must be agnostic to the truth because we are unable to ascertain it or agree on it. I completely agree that we need to make the distinctions and that is indeed a part of my argument. It is the fact that you will use the word "Muslim" to refer to a certain interpretation of the Qur'an and others will use the same word to refer to something else that confuses matters. That is the problem I am focusing on.
providing a proof by human logic thinking "from human to human" does not help in reaching the fact of existence of god or not, or believing of quran or not, because both sides will end-up of keep saying "provide a proof to your answer" and both sides "could not provide 100% proof for their answers". However, Islam and other non-corrupted religions represents messages "from god to human". Therefore, i will repeat again what i mentioned earlier ( it is not Muslims who want to insists their opinions but it is the god who want all humanity to know his messages, all non-corrupted religions. Muslims are only trying to deliver the god's message). Now, you will say, but we need a proof ! ofcorse, god is the knowing, and because he knows everything and how human is thinking, he provided signs to guide us in discovering the truth. Quran contains a lot of signs. just read and discover. and it is enough to quote from "41:53 (signs) Spelled Out." "53. Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?" i consider this response as a political response. i dont have answers to any political issue. Just i want to note that Islam is not represented by what so called "the context of international debate", because that is human made. However, Islam is represented by quran which god's words. just read the quran and ask the concerned educated people for any question. By the way, do you know that the first word that was revealed to Mohammed from the god is the word "read". this is not a big issue, just remove any political influence while reading the quran.
What does Islam say about modern women in modern times, simply insisting on bearing true witness to us, and claiming they are tired of playing games, and are simply and honestly going to fornicate us into modern relationships in modern times.
Talking about god and its messages (books) is neither a game nor a challenge, even if you r not believing. This is a serious issue because this results in certain consequences for each person after the death, as promised by god (heaven or hell). So dont consider my mentality as a challenge. you should seek the truth, but NOT the one who says the truth. In contrast, Politicians always consider any issue as games or challenges and we always hear from them some phrases like " let us play the second step" and they actually talking about wars which results in killing people ! although, they deals with those issues that results in killing people as a game which is very strange. i told you i hate politics. There are no ethics in politics until politicians find their interests in.
you said "seems" but it is not as you imagine. Dont judge by initial reading or by hearing others who hate islam or quran.
There are no consequences after death. The vast majority who imagine themselves surving death do so for two reasons. Fear of mortality and an ego so large and deluded as to it's own imortance it imagines a 'creator' needs to have them around intact with the same personality and identity they had when living.
Each person has his own decision ! what is important is: if those who dont believe in god are true and the believers are wrong , then both will not lose anything if they died and vanish BUT what if those who believe in god are true and those non-believers are wrong, then one of them will be ready for the great meeting with god in the day of judgment and the second one is not ready ? so ask your self what i am going to say in front of god if those who believe (christians+jewish+muslims) are true and god for sure exists. i am not saying this to supports Muslims or other religions but because god have ordered us to deliver his messages to those non believers in lots of phrases in quran (example 16:125) 16:125 " Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is best aware of those who go aright. " another example (signs 41:33) 41:33 " And who is better in speech than him who prayeth unto his Lord and doeth right, and saith: Lo! I am of those who surrender (unto Him)."
this is not a fact this is what you believe as an atheist what is happining after death is from the unseen world and humanity does know anything from the unseen world excepts from gods words (quran and other non-corrupted scriptures)
Your presumption I am an atheist is incorrect. As to non-corrupted scriptures I suggest you read a little of recent biblical studies. No point in reading anything much about the quran as Islamic studies. of that so called holy book. are about a thousand years behind the times. However, I shan't bother to discuss this with you any more. Attempting to have even a half intelligent conversation with a true believer is like talking to a brick wall. Angles of Grace and Mercy Defend You from Your Delusions.
Wait a sec here....you just stated we cannot "Know" anything from thus unseen world and said YOU know of this unseen world. Which is it? *HINT* Until you die and come back to publish with perhaps a chunk of silver cloud for proof...you are speaking from the posterior orifice.
i considered you as an atheist because of your posts that supports atheism thoughts anyway, thank you for your time. i dont want to read studies which are made by human anymore. in fact, when it comes that you dont have any answer, you always just says that believers are "a brick wall" and you are hiding your agreement in your heart. This is a heart disease. just remove this kind of disease from your heart and be honest with your self at least for 1 minute of your life. In general, this kind of discussion needs those who bother to discuss this with others of Opposing opinions. Moreover, Mr . swenssons mentioned "whenever saying things about "true" Islam merely comes across as dodging questions". But what is happening now is the opposite of that. maybe i should discuss with those who want to seek the truth seriously. thank you anyway.
that is because god explained (some of them) to us who know the unseen world through quran. example:" heavens and hall" , day of judgment, punishment, ....etc. read what is said.
As seems par for the "Unseen" course, you refer to God to validate God....what a crock of fecal matter. Go ahead an believe in your deity, pretend it somehow wrote a book, ignore the basic realities of the physical realm, dwell forever in the murky arena of your own mind as truth, and tell everyone else you are the only knowing human on this Earth....just do not expect those who focus on the REAL world to accept your opinions as fact. Until a God actually shows up and does something, somewhere........ANYWHERE, it is nothing more than a figment of human imagination.
I did not ask you to provide proof, I asked you to proof read your posts. That means reading through them and make sure the spelling and grammar is correct and that what you write convey what you're trying to say. I appreciate that not everybody's first language is English, but I can't hold a discussion with someone who does not understand what I'm writing and whose writing I cannot understand. The context I asked in was semantical. It applies to any communication of any contexts. Maybe it's obvious in some contexts, but certainly not in mine. If you don't understand what the words mean, any statement is meaningless.
thank you very much, ((((i got it))) but before i leave this forum for you just i want to say: 1- the message is already delivered, regardless of the language, so any reader do not have any argument in front of God on the day of judgment. 2- to those who were Christians or born from Christians parents, please dont leave your Christianity. God exits and Jesus is one of his messengers (prophets) and he will returned back soon. This promised by god as mentioned in quran and he will kill the anti-crist (dajjal). Just search for the original scripture, if you can and please dont treat Muslims as your enemy. We are brothers in god with Judaism. 3- to those who were Jewish or born from Jewish parents, please dont leave your Judaism. just search for the original Torah scripture which was revealed to Moses, if you can, and dont deal with Muslims as your enemy. we are brothers in god with Christianity and other non-corrupted religions. quran quote 35:24 " Lo! We have sent thee with the Truth, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner; and there is not a nation but a warner hath passed among them." finally, I am only a person loves doing good and loves spreading what God sent to all mankind before the time runs out, and it was a nice time i spent in this two days with you guys. And now, i feel it is time to leave. hope peace prevails humanity.
None of this has anything to do with the post you quoted, or the questions I had. Disregard for actual question in favour of statement which are obviously unpersuasive to those who don't already believe give religions of various kinds a bad reputation. No statement, not even true ones should be accepted out of hand and without elaboration.
