Republicans end Capitol Hill smoking ban

I see many links for a child in car, but have also had friends that got the $50 tickets for smoking in a parking lot with no kids, this was probably 10 years ago, maybe those laws did not fly and they added the "with kids" in car rule

I have seen meme's where they joke about a smoker having the child stand out in the cold while they smoke - the law is ridiculous

be as bad as fining a parent giving a child fructose as it can cause a fatty liver

we may not approve, but making it a crime goes too far

edit found a link

https://abd.iowa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2016/06/sfaa_handouts.pdf

"Smoking is prohibited on school grounds, including parking lots, athletic fields, playgrounds, tennis courts, and any other outdoor area under the control of a ..."

they were college students and was a university parking lot, so sure that is it

in California, I heard the fine is $1000

 

First off, you are making a specious argument, because we do NOT "ban" smoking-- only smoking in certain places, in which one is likely to subject others to the consequences of the smoker's choice. If one could not ingest sugar, in public, without raising the blood sugar levels of those who are nearby, I suspect there would be proscriptions against eating sugar, in many public places, as well.


Secondly, by your "the dose makes the poison," argument, heroine should also be completely legal to use, including in restaurants, bars, and other public places. While I congratulate you, on your liberal view towards controlled substances-- which, on the level of "ideals," I agree with-- at present, such freedom would be disastrous, and a completely impractical step.

 

then don't go to those places, should be the businesses choice, and your choice to go there or not

I agree, end the war on drugs too, the reality is, people abuse legal or not, just if it's illegal, people that do not abuse are made into criminals too

it would take time to settle down, there would be a short term increase when prohibition ended - but it defunds the gangs and cleans up cities in the long run

"5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results" April 7, 2009

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

"Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...lization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/

 

And controlling the States. Got it.

 

I think you're friends are being less than honest.

 

nope, it happened, saw one of the ticket and remember it cause it was that crazy

per that link, seems still a thing in some parking lots in some States

anti-smokers have gone too far, do you agree that is a step too far? sounds like it if you think it's so crazy it can't be true?

 

Upholding the Constitution isn't "controlling the states". It's forcing the states to obey the Constitution. That's how our governmental system works.

 

I get it...you are FOR federal govt controlling the States. You don't have to keep repeating yourself.

 

Do you think we live in a confederacy?

 

There is no need to make this personal (if that is how you mean, the word "you"). I am looking at this issue, from a logical perspective, and based on the law, as it has been interpreted. Apparently, our society feels that non smokers, likewise, have some rights, including not being subjected to others' tobacco smoke. How can you not see your double standard? Sure, a non smoker could choose to not go into a bar that allows smoking; but so could a smoker, choose to not go in a bar which prohibits smoking. The difference, however, is that the smoker can enjoy both choices: he can enjoy the bar atmosphere and, whenever he feels like smoking, only needs step outside. But a non smoker, if smoking were permitted, could not both avoid the secondhand smoke, and enjoy being in the bar.

 

'Parking lot' on school grounds likely means you can't stand in the lot and smoke. If it's school grounds of a high school then that would mean underage smoking.
If someone is in their car (without kids) on a public street or parking lot and smoking then to me that's ok. I find it very hard to believe people in that specific situation are getting fined.

 

not making it personal, all I am saying is we do not need laws forcing businesses to ban smoking, let people choose for themselves

anti-smokers have gone too far, and I think it's time for some push back, find a middle ground, maybe that will require going too far in the other directin for awhile

anti-smokers are pushing and pushing, smokers kept being polite and letting them, now it's time for some push back

when smokers started to vape, anti-smokers should have rejoiced, saw that as a win

 

or smoke in a parked car in some places

I agree, that is my point, there needs to be push back when anti-smokers go to far

banning one from smoking in their own car is a step too far

 

But there is no real ban of smoking in ones own car in public places

 

in some places there is or I should say was at least

seems most places replacing those laws with laws saying you can't smoke in your own car with the windows down if your kids in the car - which is also going to far imo

poor kids

 

There is a bit of a flaw in the argument that the oldest living people smoked. It's not that surprising given that the majority of the population smoked in the 1920s to 1960s. We won't know how long non-smokers will live to for several more decades


For men born in USA between 1900 and 1930, about 80+% of them had been smoking at some point; and during 1920-1950 ~70% of them were current smokers

 

there was plenty of non-smokers too, it's a title smokers hold today, maybe some day a non-smoker will hold it... but until then....

if a non-smoker held that title, it would come up much more often I am sure

 

All studies show that the life expectancy of a smoker is much less than that of a non-smoker. An outlier does not change this fact

 

Smoking causes cancer. There is absolutely no doubt on that score.

Sugar kills a lot of people. People should be able to eat what they want, but I think there's a place for labels identifying clearly food package contents. I never cease to be amazed by how much processed food is being sold in Costco.

 

biased studies though, not based on real human trials

we are talking moderate smoking, not smoking to excess

sure, excessive amounts of many things will shorten your life, including excessive smoking

fasting can be good for you, starvation can kill you... proving that people die of starvation does not prove fasting is bad for you


when studies found smokers were less likely to be hospitalized or die from covid, you think that would've been studied like crazy, imagine if a fruit had that effect or a pill - that kinda research doesn't get funding due to bias against smoking

 

Sun Exposure causes cancer. There is absolutely no doubt on that score.

Should we put labels on all foods that include sugar, that fructose causes fatty liver disease?

and of course tax foods that contain fructose over 100% tax like we do cigarettes, so the government can buy ads to try to sway public opinion on the product

many religions believe in fasting, that causes autophagy, which cleans up the body - not sure how they figured out occasional fasting was beneficial even back then, but I think part of the reason cancer is on the rise is overconsumption, the body never has to clean itself up, never gets the chance

 

So do some English - had a really really rough tube train ride once - standing room only - my nose was at armpit level to some bloke who had never even heard of bathing and another with teeth melting halitosis

 

Have you ever been to any of the more “garlic diet inspired” European countries? How about India where the smell of spice can be excreted from the skin….. Mind you the Japanese think we all smell of soured milk due to the cheese in our diets………

https://www.insider.com/the-foods-that-are-making-you-smell-bad-2017-6#junk-food-14

And there are worse foods out there I.e. Durian which can give you breath that “smells like you have been French Kissing your dead Grandmother”

 

Yes