It's all Hollywood's fault .... [video=youtube;DzRWlT_KjUw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRWlT_KjUw[/video]
Firstly, I'm not going to ask/tell him to stop texting(which was before the movie). Second, I'm not pulling a gun unless he pulls a weapon. What is clear here is that an ex cop stuck his nose in someone's business with no acceptable reason. My guess is he did it in a way that seemed rude/confrontational. Normal people don't throw popcorn or beat up old people just for asking them nicely not to text. Could this have been a psyco texter? Maybe, but I'm betting on an unnecessary provocation by a mouthy ex cop. Could be this ex-cop is a perpetual texter hater. http://nypost.com/2014/01/15/ex-cop-in-theater-text-murder-menaced-followed-moviegoer-last-month/
Sorry, didn't know you walked on water. Ghandi. Hate to tell you. I don't believe a word of that. So you have lived your whole life and NEVER got in to it with someone and never will. Never had an argument, never been in yelling match on the high way, never pissed anyone off. Ever.
Now you are just sounding childish. There is no reasonable reason for this guy to shoot someone over texting. My guess is the shooting was more about "how dare you" than " i feared my life or great bodily harm. Have I been in disputes? Yes, but not since I carry a gun. Even before, non would have called for pulling a gun.
It seems like you're assuming that all people are "thin skinned" & have "short fuses" I can't think of any gun owner that I know who would shoot someone under those circumstances. On what do you base your opinion, I'm just curious? Thanks
You are making tons of assumptions. That is what is childish. You were not an eyewitness. You don't know what was said and or how it was said.
There are other people who have encountered this guy. Is this a relative of yours? You are consumed with him being a poor old man who just wants a text free theater.
Oh, so some other cop hater says he is this or that. You will be old one day. You may even say something that while right, pisses someone off. And they see you are old and decide to be real he man and take you on. So you make sure you just stand there and take your beating.
Even the cops wife said he was out of line. Reeves to police: Oulson 'scared the crap out of me' Hamilton testified that, soon thereafter, Reeves' wife told her husband "that was no cause to shoot anyone." Reeves responded by pointing his finger at her and saying, according to Hamilton, "You shut your f**king mouth and don't say another word." http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/R...-Over-Texting-240108301.html?device=phone&c=y So, everyone that disagrees with you claims the cop was out of line, is s cop hater? Childish.
Again, you were an eyewitness to all of that. Nice, you should have stepped in and calmed the situation.
The cop didn't know what was following the popcorn in the face. The popcorn could be used to disguise a sucker punch or attack with a deadly weapon. I don't know Florida law, but the cop would most likely be in trouble in Texas. Texas removes the defense to prosecution if the shooter encouraged or started the confrontation in the first place. We don't have the audio of the event, but it sounds like the cop started the argument over texting and didn't worry about escalating it. I know that I don't respond to idiot drivers or flip people off when I am carrying. I don't want there to be any question about who is the aggressor if I shoot somebody.
FWIW I've never understood that line of thinking. I carry in part so that I can mouth off with a lower level of risk. There's a lot of jerks who need to be told they are being jerks and I do so armed or not. But I prefer to be armed in case they decide to turn violent. To my mind it's whomever instigates the violence not the verbal exchange that may precede it that's at fault.
Under the law of most, if not all, states, if you instigate or escalate the confrontation, verbally or otherwise, you cannot claim self-defense in the even of a violent outcome. That is, the fact that you gave in to your inner child and yelled "Hey (n-word), you momma (f-word) good - for a $5 (w-word)" to the group of thugs on the corner legally negates your claim of self-defense, should you shoot one, as they beat your (a-word).
So practicing my second amendment right, negates my first amendment right? How is that constitutional?
you can exercise your right to free speech all you want, you just can't justify your actions if you instigate the incident. It's kinda like baiting someone into putting you under imminent threat of death or great bodily harm. People who carry so they can mouth off with a lower level of risk are putting a bad reputation on those of us who might ask nicely for someone to quiet down and then call for security when they don't.
I'm all for concealed or open carry for sane non-felons, but how is flipping some guy off on the highway or enforcing texting rules in a theater an example of your first amendment rights? At some point, it becomes baiting people into violence so you can take advantage of your hidden weapon as a means of instant retribution. How hard is it to not argue with people? Many times people have thought I was a coward as I left during or before a confrontation. We are all alive and I am not in jail. Unless they were also armed, I was never in danger. If they were armed, I did the right thing. Do what you want and live with the consequences.
So you guys won't tell some rude (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) to stop being a rude (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)? No wonder there are so many rude (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s. You are justifying violence over words. NO words in any form are justification for violence, period.
Here in lies the problem, YOU are advocating that I lose the right to defend myself if some jerk doesn't like what I say and tries to harm me. I've been to jail for practicing my first and second amendment rights at the same time, I know what I'm talking about and it's a bit of a button with me.
Started a new thread, it's off topic here. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=430964&p=1065513357#post1065513357
I get it just fine, you just can't refute it without justifying violence. Already won in court, you're welcome.
no it's not but if they refuse and you keep pushing to the point of an armed escalation and you could have left or called the cops then you are an idiot.
If you start something you can't claim self defense unless he pulls on you first.If you are a carrier it comes with more responsibility.
I agree. After the texter says "pound sand old man", the retired cop should have gotten the attention of an usher. The texter was rude, but was not breaking any laws. Only a representative of the theater can legally enforce their "no texting rule". Even an off duty cop has no business enforcing rules in a theater unless a representative of the theater requests his intervention. Arguing with the guy only adds fuel to the fire. Do it at your own peril.
