Russia, friend or foe?

The idea that Russia is the enemy of the USA is political propaganda, its part of the "progressive" meme that Russia hacked the election and therefore Trump is illegitimate. For political purposes, "progressives" must paint Russia as totally evil and the absolute enemy of the USA (and the progs are putting their own political interest ahead of national security)..

Russia is neither friend nor foe. Like all nations, the Russian government acts in its own global and domestic interests. Where it has common interests with the USA, the 2 nations can work together. Where their interests are opposed, the USA and Russia will work against each other.

Its not the Cold War, the USA-Russia relationship is not ideologically driven like the USA-USSR relationship. The USA-Russia relationship is more like a business relationship.

 

Partisan submissives of the new International Democratic Corporate Fascism Party remain infuriated that they don't get to have Hilary Clinton's declared war on Russia - and continue to tell any lies still attempting to force a USA - Russia nuclear war.

Historical wrong, for one. Russia has never been an enemy. The UK has been a enemy. Canada has been an enemy. Spain has been an enemy. Mexico has been an enemy. But Russia historically has only been an ally. Try reading a history book sometime rather than just listening to the actors of the super rich international corporations PR propaganda outlets.

Only simpletons see the world in the black and white world of good guys and bad guys.

The EU is far more an economic adversary than is Russia.

 

No, the USA is not a war with Russia. Hilary Clinton wanted war with Russia and promised it. By your messages you want nuclear war with Russia, but can't have it.

Ukraine is not part of NATO and we had no defense treaty with Ukraine, none whatsoever. Apparently you believe Ukraine is one of the 53 states Obama claims to have visited.

But you are correct, I have not seen ONE Trump supporter or Republican joining in with Democrats on the forum agreeing with Hilary Clinton's wanting to militarily go to war against Russia over Syria. It is the Democratic Party that is the world police neocon political party.

It is not Republicans on the forum posting "malcontent" messages or who want to make a mockery out of the American president. What is notable is the same members incessantly condemning and sneering about Trump also incessantly condemn and sneer about the USA and against Americans in general.

It is fun reading Democrats such as you now praising the Republican establishment. I gather you supported McCain and Romney, right?

 

It was the Democrats who hired spammers and trolls to work the Internet. That has been documented.

But you just keep on seeing Russians everywhere including the forum. It suits the nature of your messages.

 

Wow, you really DO want the 1950s McCarthy era back! Guess you were just born over half a century too late to be happy.

Interesting how you refer to yourself in the plural. Sounds like someone who is very lonely to me.

 

I mentioned one that killed nearly 500 right there. You can look it up.

 

You decided to ignore the part where I said it would've been better for everyone if the U.S. and its allies had gone to war with the Soviet Union in the late 1980s/early 1990s and defeated them in a nonnuclear war.

So I've basically said a world war against the Soviets would've been a good thing.

Yet you think I "sympathize" with the Russians???!?!??!?!!?! WTF!!!!!

I still think we're going to have to fight them and defeat them.

Face it Shanks and you know this:

If Hillary Clinton had won the election neither you nor anyone else would've given a flying rip about the Russians interference.

I remember the same people stressing out over the Russians today sneering and deriding Mitt Romney in 2012 when he described the Russians as a threat.

 

Consider there has not been a time since The American Revolution and earliest Presidents,
that America had kind regards for Russia. Kind regards was about being anti-Brit.

Can you name an example?
How is it America remains anti Russian for centuries?
Some objection to the government while doing business with far worse. Gimme a break.

Moi

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Russia's Polar Partner!
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

I do believe Putin respects Trump more than he respected Obama, and i actually liked Obama. Perhaps you and I have a different definition of what makes someone appear weak. IMO, if i'm a leader of Russia and i see a US president who just does what his party wants, i see weakness. You may think Putin views Trump as weak but i think it's the contrary. Putin observes that all the politicians, from Mccain, to Rubio and others in Trump's same party call him a thug, a killer etc... If i were Putin, what would appear weak to me is a man that is a puppet, a man that succumbs to political pressure. Do you realize that the easiest, weakest thing Trump could do is just do as he's told? just side with all these neocons like Mccain, Rubio, Lindsay Graham etc..? This is easy, what is difficult and shows strength is to commit to what you believe in. If you really think tough talk like what we hear from neocons and media is what Putin considers strong, then you think Putin is an idiot. Trump bad mouthing Putin would show Putin Trump is a puppet who just does what his party wants and has no backbone, no inner strength to carry on his convictions. Let me tell what Trump probably thinks and where he stands.

Putin is not a man to be trusted, he has conflicting interests with the US and he is an authoritarian. His political rivals have mysteriously being murdered over the years and even though there is no evidence Putin has being behind it, one can make a connection. Trump knows all of this. Having said this, Russia is super power with a nuclear arsenal that could wipe the US clean. Also, Russia is largely an inclusive democracy where human right violations aren't as bad as some think. Yes, Putin has stayed in power but he's not a Saddam Hussein or Asaad etc... Russia's human rights record is way way better than that of many Countries the US regards as 'allies'. Saudia Arabia? A country ruled my kings and a Country under Sharia Law where people's hands are cut off and legs amputated for committing robbery. How about flogging for a myriad of offenses? capital punishment for committing adultery? Women? they are non-existent in the Saudi corporate world. How about the fact that Saudi's have sponsored terrorism?

Why do i go on and on about Saudia Arabia? because what goes on in Saudi Arabia should outrage Americans 100 times more than what goes on in Russia but the US treats Saudi's as great allies, why? cause of OIL and other interests. Russia? It's all about two super power rivals trying to measure d-cks. If we compared Russia to Saudi's, we should want to be much closer to Russia than a f-d up Country like SA. Also, it is in our interest that we try to improve relations with Russia, Putin won't last forever and we can't just keep talking tough and insulting a leader of a country with an arsenal of nuclear weapons that an wipe us out, the groundwork needs to be done to improve things. Russia isn't nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be. I guarantee you that if Russia were a small Country that the US would not consider a superpower rival, Russia would be an ally.

 

Sure--

The term Russian Interference refers to the hacking of the DNC emails which were then leaked to Wikipedia. The emails may have been embarassing to some in the Democrat Party, but they had no effect on voting in any states (let alone swing states).

(If there is any HARD EVIDENCE of VOTE ALTERATIONS, let's hear it. Leave out strained conspiracy theories, suppositions and fake stories.

Everyone knows this hack is being used as an excuse for the crushing defeat of Hillary and the Democrats last November. A claim as exaggerated as this should be examined.

First:
Both parties experienced hack attempts in 2016. Wikileaks founder Julian Assange said the hacks of the Republican party were less successful. The information gained was already public knowledge and useless to him.

Second:
When the Democrats realized someone was trying to hack into their email server in May 2016, they should have called in the FBI to investigate. They were both located in Washington DC. The FBI could have been there quickly to do a criminal investigation.

Instead, the DNC refused to give the FBI access to the servers and called in a private California firm called Crowdstrike which concluded the hack was done by some Russian entity.

Third:
How dependable is this private firm?

Crowdstrike is run by former Clinton and Obama staffers. It has many stock holders who donated millions to Hillary's failed campaign.

Turnabout being fair play, if Democrats can infer Collusion between the Trump camp and the Russians with no evidence, it is not a stretch to infer collusion between the Democrats and a private firm on their payroll.

As for Crowdstrike, they are not as respected as some would like to believe. CrowdStrike has had a checkered past and present. They looked at hacks of the White House and the State Department in 2015 and their findings were ignored.

They based their conclusions of the DNC hack on THEIR PREVIOUS FINDINGS. President Obama could not have been too impressed.

When notified of possible interference by the Russians last August, Obama ignored it. He made a public statement in October that presidential elections vary so much in all 50 states that it would be impossible to interfere.

Four:
Besides the President of the United States, Others have expressed doubts about the CrowdStrike's claims.

Form FBI Director James Comey told Congress last January that DNC was still denying them access to their servers and that Crowdstrike has only been willing to share what they LEARNED about the hack, not HOW they learned.

The DNC and CrowdStrike still deny the FBI access to the servers so they can do their own evaluation.

Five:
Besides Comey and President Obama, there are other doubters.

A British think tank that worked with CrowdStrike recently suggested they may have misinterpreted data. Others have called Crowdstrike's evidence of Russian hacking "flimsy".

An American group called Wordfence (which uncovered Dan Rather's phony reporting on another president in 2004) looked at the evidence and came up with a different conclusion about Russian involvement.

According to their examination of the evidence, the malware used to hack the DNC was an old one that was used by the Russians at one time along with thousands of other hackers around the world. The IP address involved in the hack could be traced back to Russia plus 41 other countries and 389 organizations.

To claim that only the Russians could have pulled off this hack is dishonest. To claim they were so primitive about hacking that a private firm could rat them out does not pass the smell test.

Six:
Have their been other more effective hacks?

Recently, there have been significant hacks of computer systems in Europe, Asia and the US and ransomware demands for money to unlock them. No one has positively identified the source of those hacks, so why would the Russians use an old one that could be easily traced back to them by a private firm?

Seven:
Congress is also smelling a rat.

Several lawmakers want to know why the government has been refused access to the DNC servers.

CrowdStrikes only defense of these attacks is to say that they must be part of some Russian disinformation campaign.

That would sound like a CYA excuse to anyone but a Trump Hater.

 

Sandy Shakes:

"...we know that Trump is very sympathetic towards Russian..."?

Only a diehard Tump Hater would still cling to that BS. Events have put the lie to that.

 

Wow! Straight out of the Russian propaganda playbook. I particularly liked this phrase. "The USA-Russia relationship is more like a business relationship."

Yeah, right. Russia displayed overt aggression against Ukraine and annexed a portion of that nation, Crimea. Russia continues to threaten the rest of Ukraine. Russia supports the heinous dictator, Bashar al-Assad, who has killed over 500,000 of his people and displaced 6 million more. Russia continues to support Iran, the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. Russia attacked our form of government, a democracy totally dependent upon free elections.

In the face of all this you sympathize with Russia, calling her neither friend nor foe and insisting that we only have a "business relationship" with Russia.

You need more training from your Russian controllers.

 

Fine Shanks.

What do you think the United States should do about the Russians?

Seriously?

Don't say "economic sanctions" because they almost never have any effect on the behavior of a dictatorship.

 

Explain those events.

Keep these words in mind when you answer. On Thursday, Trump was equivocal about Russia's interference in our election. "I think it was Russia but I think it was probably other people and or countries. I think a lot of people interfere. I see nothing wrong with that statement," Trump said. "Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure."

According to Tillerson, Trump accepted Putin's explanation of that interference and he agreed to move on.

Now, you were about to explain yourself. Go on.

 

Lol
Some of us even remember when we sent troops to russia to fight the bolshviks. Maybe a few russians also remember

 

I am only going by what Trump supporters are saying. For example, one supporter said, "The idea that Russia is the enemy of the USA is political propaganda, its part of the "progressive" meme that Russia hacked the election and therefore Trump is illegitimate. For political purposes, "progressives" must paint Russia as totally evil and the absolute enemy of the USA (and the progs are putting their own political interest ahead of national security)."

That's right out of the Russian propaganda playbook. On this thread there are several more examples of this kind of Russian sympathy. A recent Fox News poll revealed that 39% of Trump supporters feel Russia is an ally or friend.

"We" represents the 75% of Americans who know the truth about Trump.

 

I wish our domestic partisanship could be so easily resolved Maybe hillary could say she did nothing wrong and we could move on as friends. Ya think?

 

"Russia, friend or foe?"

It appears many are intent on viewing Russia as an enemy to the USA. I say this is not a useful viewpoint to base our policies on. If I were in charge, I would view Russia, currently, as neither friend nor foe. I would just view them as a competitor; someone to be neither favor nor oppose reflexively. I would have near constant High-level talks with them.

I have heard some things about our relations with them which have been reported as being unjust in our treatment of Russian policy. I don't know if those views are accurate or not, because it is so difficult to gain an understanding if we can't know what is truth. I would have a staff dedicated to listening to Russia, and experts on Russia. Only then, would I hope to craft coherent and effective policies.

 

There is no one alive today who remembers that.

 

You need to learn to think and read.

 

There is no one alive who remembers the civil war
So i guess we can all forget that... along with with the stars and bars

 

Not so much interested in having russia as an enemy. I do wish they wouldn't interfere in our elections, i wish they wouldn't support north korea, i wish they wouldn't invade ukrain and feign innocence... rematkably similar to the lies about election interference. Such lies make it difficult to trust what the russian gov says

 

Trumps friend - this is about money for Trump and dissing Obama... Guy is losing it more and more each day...
America's and it's politicians foe...

 

This is exactly what the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, would say.

 

interesting