Russia Threatens Norway to Stay Out of NATO Missile Defense

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  1. litwin

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    Litwin, folks from FIS asked to tell you, you got awarded with "For Merit" medal for spreading disinformation. Good job, keep reinforcing image of RF military being weaker than it is. ^^ And personal congrats from me, you earned the money Kremlin pays you.
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    Conversion of Anti missile launchers into cruise missile launchers.
    As can any transit van.
    Or indeed old piece of railway track.

    The bit where we can convert things to launch cruise missiles? This installation is the least of Russia's worries there.

    Also an interesting dimension they have been studying themselves.
     
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    I thought we were talking about s400s vs Tomahawks. S-400s have ground radar systems I believe. Even if they are supported by Russian AWACS as you said earlier, 59 Tomahawks cruising in high speeds on different adjustable routes just above the surface would be real hard to deal with. Anyways, the Tomahawk strike I believe was intended to deliver Russia a message that Trump was just turned into a captivated animal by the deep state. Would it hurt Russia? I really don't think so. After the damage is done, scoring just an equalizer in a game you play at home and are expected to win by 3-4 goals ahead, is still pathetic I guess. Let alone such game, which should have never been played in the first place- is enough for surfacing the weaknesses of the US, especially when we remember how the west was making fun of Russia during Yeltsin era. Trump's presidency seems it didn't go as wrong as Yeltsin's... For the time being of course :)
     
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    "Also an interesting dimension they have been studying themselves."

    its a great that you "rjusski mir" can use American technologies: primerPro, post effect Adobe , and green room, but look how it´d look in 2017

     
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    Absolutely, missile launchers that can be hidded in a simple, plain shippig container are made up, a fake. You have no reason to worry, do any sort of extra checking, or expect any surprises. Stay calm, and don't stress yourself about any possibility of surprising missile strike from an unexpected point where no military vechicles are noticed.
     
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    Not so much a fake as an unfunded or incomplete development.
    Promotional video's and scale models have been made, enough to pitch it for further investment. Whether they got it or will get it, I don't know. But it's in on their minds. I know that much.
     
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    S 400 have ground radar systems.
    So the plane, which could be an AWACs or could be a helicopter gunship, or any other combat aircraft, shares it's radar data to the guidance system along side the ground based radar's.

    s 400 is an integrated defence system. It's not one radar and one missile. It is a network of RADARs and missiles that covers and entire an area of geography up to a country.

    To hit 59 Tomahawks would be more easy if you knew they were coming.
    They fly so low my shotgun might do it. Pull!
    So if you were expecting an attack on an installation you could use air cover. They are a slow unarmed aircraft. Cessna speeds.
    Dogfood to an eagle.
    They don't dodge they don't fight back, they may fly between trees without hitting them but they aren't manned. They don't respond to attack. They just sit there and get attacked. Sat Nav minus the driver.


    In the view above with 8 of them in formation, 1 AA missile gets all 8 if the pilot viewing shares his radar telemetery with an AA battery. Even a radar guided Bofors gun would rape them out of the sky.

    Chances of you seeing coming however? Pretty slim. Very high alert required.
     
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    LOL , just look in the empty faces of ulus juchi "generals" LOL)) when your PROP dont want even roll even 200 m.

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    The size of it's gun! Such a big tank I wonder how much it weighs.
     
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    not mush, Papier-mâché wights almost nothing
     
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    Sometimes it's better to converse.

    Thanks for the link though. I shall look it up.
     
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    *shrugs*

    Your choise. Can't help with that one, then - I am not a military expert.
     
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    Nor am I, it's all just conversation practise.
     
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    Made up nonsense.
     
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    But this is exactly because they are almost invincible. :)
     
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    Thanks for your deep analysis DICKSON.
     
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    Missile defense in UK only serves to destabilize nuclear detente. It does nothing to protect the UK from nuclear missiles and, in fact, will not protect the US either.

    What violating the ABM treaty did do is (on the basis of protecting the US from ICBM's) is force Russia to violate the short and intermediate range treaty. In the event of a "scare" - the first thing that will happen is the missile defense in UK and other countries sporting ABM's will be taken out with nuclear cruse missiles - to which there is no defense.

    Missile defense is a case of dumb and dumber. At the end of the day the US is not protected either as Russia will take out military and GPS satellites prior to launch. ABM's are useless without these satellites.

    The only thing Missile defense did was poke the bear and destabilize nuclear detente which did nothing but ramp up the arms race moving us one step closer to doomsday.
     
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    I wouldn't expect you to understand, but I was questioning the morality of it in the greater scheme of things - ie the wider spread around the world of nuclear bombs. Just what we don't need??
     
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    So bring it.
    I was born in the Cold War. I do not fear your doomsday. I am alive today. If all I love disappears tomorrow, I will disappear with it. I will not miss it. It will not miss me. I am alive today and every day until I am not.
    If doomsday must come, I have the will to be the one that brings it.

    I will live free, or neither will you.

    I agree with every word you say and yet it changes nothing. Nothing at all.

    In the end, I trust those with nukes to have no reason to use them on me. They will learn to do the same with me, or not. Let us see if humanity wins.

    If you accept that an arms race exists, so do I.
    How fast or slow it moves is not my primary concern. I must win it.
    I do not wish to negotiate with anyone until I have. Walk softly, carry a big stick.
     
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    I don't know what Norway does but I know for a fact that Russia should leave Afrin. We're strengthening our piled up forces right across it and very decisive about implementing what we've already planned to do. We got no intention to harm our Russian friends there. So it's better for them to leave soon. No toleration for terrorists !
     
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    I don't do deep analysis of the **** you make up.
     
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    Good post - I appreciate your straightforward response.

    Two points.

    1) Live Free. We can discuss this further so I won't get in depth in this post but, your Gov't is a much bigger threat to your freedom than Russia. One of the ways Gov'ts are taking away freedoms and liberty is through fear of an external threat (especially here in the US). Then there are various other ways that freedoms are being reduced.

    2) "I must win it". There is no "winning". This was the whole point of "MAD" Mutually Assured Destruction. Destabilization of nuclear detente moves us closer to MAD. Stabilizing nuclear detente moves us away from MAD.

    There simply is not point to missile defense. If MD did what it claimed to do, perhaps a case could be made. It does not. This then gives a false sense of security which has ramifications - negative ones.

    Britain having MD is one thing. To my knowledge the Russians have not made much ado about this.
    Putting MD directly on the borders of Russia is quite another. It is a direct provocation - an intentional destabilization which has already led to some nasty consequences.

    When MAD was adopted the defense contractors and international financiers were upset. Peace does not pay their bills. It is this lobby that has created this mess. Sure this benefits them but, at what cost ?
     
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