Russia wanted Trump to win the election

In that case, Putin should have loved her.

 

What shower thing? I must have missed something?

 

You overlooked my reply. I said, "A possibility although there was never any evidence of Clinton's interference, just her displeasure with the results. There are reams of evidence for the Russian interference. Putin used this as an excuse for his support of Trump.

"More than likely Putin's motivation had something to do with Trump’s budding bromance with Vladimir Putin — the two men have exchanged admiring words about each other. Would you care for some examples? I have plenty.

"So, again the question is, why did Putin want Trump as the next President. The question has nothing to do with Clinton and an unproven allegation five years earlier. That is a myth promulgated by Trump supporters.

"Clinton is also accused of failing in her attempts to reset relations between the U.S. and Russia. You can't have it both ways."

Politico says this. "When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks."

That is a big nothing, a petty dispute. Five years later Trump supporters used Clinton's displeasure to explain away Putin's obvious desire to have Trump become the next President.

The real reason, and the one Trump fans choose to ignore is that Trump was a novice in governance, foreign relations, and military matters. Putin knew he would be incompetent, and he is. For Putin's purposes, Trump would make the perfect American President. That is the real reason he went to a great deal of trouble to get Trump elected.

 

The Russians probably reached the same conclusion that I and millions of other Americans did about Clinton - that she is a pathological serial liar who cannot be trusted on anything. The Russians had not forgotten how she and Obama lied to them to get them not to vote down the Libya adventure in the Security Council. They were told this would be nothing more than a "no-fly zone", and it turned into full fledged regime change operation, complete with an assassination of the Libyan head of state.

And she was campaigning on a "no-fly zone" over Syria, which I'm sure they regarded as a lie also based upon the Libya deal. It was air cover for "our good rebels" (lol), and she was lying to the American public about it, calling it a no-fly zone "to protect civilians". The Russians correctly assessed that Hillary Clinton couldn't give a **** less about civilians, and, in reality, it was a way to bring American air power into the Syrian civil war. Trump was campaigning on not getting involved in regime change wars, and Clinton was going to start an air war over Syria with the Russians.

Trump, for all of his faults, says what he thinks.

That's why.

 

Simple. Crooked Hillary.

 

Trump's base already did Russia's bidding. They elected the most incompetent, useless President in American history. Now the jerk is attacking an American pastime, NFL football.

How stupid can you get?

That is no illusion.

 

So, Russia didn't trust Clinton. The very last thing Putin wanted was Clinton as President. That is what you are telling me.

On the other hand, Trump belonged to the Putin Admiration Society. He constantly praised Putin. Want examples? I have plenty.

By golly, Seth, I think you have it. We had every reason to elect Clinton. Russia didn't want Clinton. That is why Russia wanted Trump to be our next President.

But Republican extremists chose Trump instead. Congratulations on your choice.

Thank you, Seth, my question is answered.

P.S. Trump attacked Syria with nearly 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles. So much for saying what he thinks. You are right about one thing, though. He's got a lot of faults.

 

They didn't trust her because she was a pathological liar, she had lied to them before, and she was going to turn U.S. air power into the Syrian Rebel Air Force.

 

The NFL is attacking itself; it's done as a hallowed institution.

But the death rattle may be painfully drawn out...

 

Probably because they want better relations with the US

 

Russia wanted Trump to win the election

Putin wanted Hillary to lose the election

 

Well, yes, Seth, according to the Donald Trump web site.

I don't understand why you are so unhappy that Russia didn't trust Clinton. In my book, that goes in the plus column.

Russia, Putin, trusted Trump. In your book, that goes in the plus column.

That is what you are saying.

 

Wheee!

 

Yes, they do, on their terms. They invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea, support Assad in Syria, threatening the Baltic States, sell arms and nuclear tools to Iran, and support the Iranian regime.

Because of his fascination with Putin, because he has not condemned Putin for the activities described, Trump will look the other way. Clinton would not.

Is that why people voted for Trump?

No, those who voted for Trump aren't smart enough to know all that. They just wanted someone who would create chaos in Washington by taking on the establishment and "draining the swamp."

They got their man.

 

Yup, he sure did, and Trump voters played right along. Thanks to them, Putin got his man. Trump's base should be proud.

 

What difference, at this point, does it make?

 

Bull st, Sandy.

I don't care if Russia "likes" our president or not. But it is important that Russia can trust our president at his or her word. Not that they can trust our president to do what they want, but that they can actually believe that person when he speaks to them. That would have been impossible with Hillary Clinton.

And you agreed with me that we need to extricate ourselves from Syria and the middle east in general. But your beloved would have gotten us in deeper and deeper, and she was going to turn our air power into the Syrian Rebel Air Force. She was lying to you, to me, and to everyone when she claimed she wanted to create no fly zones over Syria "to protect civilians". That was utter bullst too. You know it, and I know it.

So, for multiple reasons, of course the Russians didn't want her to be our president. I don't think it has that much to do with Trump. I think they would have preferred some of the other Republican contenders over Hillary as well.

 

They didn't invade Ukraine

1. Crimea's parliament voted to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian federation, the same way Texas voted to secede from Mexico and join the US.
2. Russia's military was already legally occupying the region as part of a prior agreement with Ukraine. With their already existing military bases they secured the Crimean parliament's decision to separate from Ukraine
3. Russia offered to have Assad removed back in 2012, but the US neglected this offer.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...offer-in-2012-to-have-syrias-assad-step-aside

The US was not interested in working with Russia in replacing an existing government, because they would rather cease the opportunity to replace a Russian ally with a US ally by military force than go by a diplomatic solution that allows Russia to maintain an existing ally. The US once considered allowing Russia to join NATO, but this notion never came to light because the US did not want to allow Russia the veto power of being a prominent member of their military alliance. The US's primary interest is using military force to create business partners.

 

I would suppose it is because the special prosecutor is investigating Trump and Russia. I would suppose it is because the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senate Judiciary Committee, House Intelligence Committee, and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee are all investigating Trump and Russia.

 

Seth, what you don't seem to understand is that Russia is an adversary. She is not an ally. That has been true for over 70 years. As such, Russia cannot be trusted as evidenced by her aggression in Ukraine, her support of the heinous, murderous dictator Assad, her support of North Korea, her support of Iran, our sworn enemy in the Middle East, and her interference in our election. I wanted a President who would engage Russia with skepticism because of her aggression

Countless times, Trump praised Putin and Russia. He has never condemned Russia for anything, including his failure to condemn Russia for interfering in our election. Indeed, he is still calling that a hoax.

These are all reasons why Trump should not have been elected, but his base, including you, voted for Trump, voted for a man who would look the other way where Russia is concerned.

That is exactly what Trump is doing.

Putin got his man alright.

Tell me, Seth, what did you vote for a man who is sympathetic to Russia?

 

This is straight out of RT, the Russian propaganda network.

"Russia's military was already legally occupying the region as part of a prior agreement with Ukraine." What a joke. Prior to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine, Russia had military bases in Crimea. She didn't occupy Crimea.

It is true the U.S. wanted Ukraine, a former Russian satellite, to be an ally. That is obvious. But unlike Russia, neither the U.S. nor its allies invaded Ukraine.

 

As they have been for nearly a year... and have nothing

Whats even funnier, the SEC and IRS have investigated Trump for DECADES (as they do all billionaires) and have also found nothing amiss.

Nothing but a witch hunt and a great big waste of taxpayer money. You must be proud.

 

Don't question my patriotism, Sandy.

I'm not going to dignify your question with an answer.

 

Tension is rising between congressional investigators probing Russian meddling and the Trump administration, as the White House and Justice Department withhold a number of records sought by the Republican Congress at a critical time in the investigations. What is the White House and DOJ hiding?

Three congressional committees probing Russia's election meddling have asked for scores of documents related to everything from Jared Kushner's security clearance to records surrounding Trump's discussions with James Comey before he was fired as FBI director.

The GOP-led Senate judiciary committee is in a growing standoff with the Justice Department's deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, over several issues, including the department's decision to prevent two senior FBI officials from sitting down for transcribed interviews on Capitol Hill to provide eyewitness accounts of the Comey firing.

 

You don't know that. No one outside of Congress does. There have been countless secret hearings with secret testimonies and secret documentation. We have no idea what has been said behind closed doors.

There are two grand juries looking into this matter. As expected, nothing from them yet, either.

Mueller has yet to make his report. No one knows what that will contain.

You can hope there is no there there, but that doesn't make it true.

They have not investigated Trump for collusion with the Russians. Also, only recently was this matter turned over to the IRS criminal division. This is no longer a matter of simple tax evasion.