Russia wanted Trump to win the election

I am not informed enough to say much but what I heard was the people of Ukraine wanted to be reunited with their nation. It is like us losing Californication and then our people there being abused and asking us to come back and help them. Don't know ?
I do think The Balkans wars were terrible to hand over those nations to the muslims who invaded there centuries ago.

 

Trump refuses to condemn Russia for interfering in our election, confirmed by our intelligence agencies. He still says that interference is a hoax.

Trump has never condemned Russia for her aggression in Ukraine and annexing Crimea.

Trump has never condemned Russia for supporting a murderous dictator, Syria's Assad.

Trump has never condemned Russia for supplying Iran with arms and nuclear equipment.

I could go one, but you get the point.

Of course, there has never been legislation favoring Russia. That is absurd. Trump is an incompetent novice, but he isn't stupid. Come to think of it, yeah, he is stupid, too.

I didn't say you were. Once again, I simply stated a fact.

Then why did you question my statement that says the same thing?

 

And yet the pragmatic reality of our opponent is that he is intelligent, very powerful, shrewd, and to his "Mother Russia" (the Rodina) he is stalwart and courageous.

Forbes has named Vladimir Putin the most powerful Leader in the World a record-setting four years in a row: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davide...orlds-most-powerful-people-2016/#2acb7ee1b4c4

On the international scene, he is the foremost chessmaster. We would do well not to underestimate him. Unfortunately for us, Xi Jinping is also quite intelligent and exceptionally powerful.

 

Trump has been a Democrat most of his political life.

https://twitter.com/freedlander/status/673981640733949953/photo/1

Newlyweds Donald Trump Sr. and Melania Trump with Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton on Jan. 22, 2005, in Palm Beach, Fla.

 

That answered my question. Thank you.

This has nothing to do with the Democrats.

 

Oh, really, I wasn't aware of that. I thought his critics, like myself, just called him an incompetent hack. I know he is confused about which party he wants to work with, if any. He seems critical of everyone not named "Trump." He is even highly critical of his own team, and he has fired a good many of them.

 

I don't think anyone is controlling him. Trump is being Trump. No one controls him, not Congress, not the judicial branch, not Presidential propriety, and not the law.

 

At this point, I have a hard time understanding your ignorance on this issue. Do you really doubt that Russia interfered in our election on behalf of Trump? Then you make the moronic request for proof. The proof is what our intelligence agencies have assessed, but that won't satisfy you. You make the impossible request of proof from our intelligence people. You want to see their proof. Failing that, you make the ludicrous assertion there is no proof.

I didn't know there were people still making that foolish argument.

The number one principle for true conservatives is a stable government. I voted for a stable government. You voted for a man who had no experience in governance, no experience in foreign affairs, and no experience in military matters. Trump didn't even serve his country. You voted for an unstable government. Yet, you claim to be a conservative. That is somewhat surprising.

Because Trump swings left and right, politically, has no core beliefs, and was a Democrat for most of his life, he can hardly be called conservative. Obviously, then, those that support him, like you, are hardly conservative. No one knows what to call Trump's fans, but it is not conservative. They are just members of Trump’s base, neither liberal nor conservative. Lately, several Trump fans have been attacking the Republican Party, primarily for their failure on the healthcare bill. That is hardly being a conservative.

I don't know where you get off saying you are a conservative. Your actions and the actions of your colleagues say something completely different.

 

I almost cannot make myself believe that anyone who calls himself a "Conservative" could make a statement calling a "request for PROOF" to be "moronic". Either you are bating me (for reasons of your own), or you're the most credulous, gullible person I've come across in a LONG time, or, you're simply the victim of some kind of mental aberration that I've never encountered in anyone else before. All my long life, I have lived in a world where thinking, intelligent people stand to PROVE what they say. Those who do not, or will not, are LIARS, FRAUDS, or BOTH!

No, the number one principle for true conservatives is not (NOT) "stable government". The number one principle for true AMERICAN Conservatives is allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, and, adherence to a free-market economy where you EARN what you GET. Nazi Germany gave Germans the first "stable government" they had had since before World War I -- would that have satisfied you as "conservative"...?

Next, I've already told you, and you refuse to grasp my simple statement -- I had a choice between Trump and Hillary Clinton. So did you. We had no other realistic choices. Are you still with me so far? Please continue....

Hillary Clinton would have put yet one more blob of radical, activist, judicial SH*T on the Supreme Court, following hard on the heels of the two blobs of radical, activist, judicial SH*T that Obama had already put on it. Trump was not (NOT) my guy. I've told you that, too, but I would vote for him again, in spite of my several disappointments with his presidency so far, IF ONLY to keep a corrupt, negligent, criminal, and STOOPID moron like Hilarity Clinton out (OUT) of the Oval Office! I can WISH that Rick Perry was President of the United States, but, raise one hand in the air to wish with, and put your other hand under your naked ass -- and then see which hand gets full first! I put no faith in "wishes" -- or in people who take everything as 'truth' with no PROOF....

Now... either you 'get it' or you don't. Take your pick. And I sincerely you get over whatever it is that is troubling you....

 

Aw, now the personal attack. It is the main tactic of a Trump supporter who has been made to look foolish.

Your request for proof is moronic for three reasons.

1. You are asking for proof for something that is self-evident or common knowledge. It is like asking for proof that Trump is our President. Now that is moronic.

2. Your request for proof is unrealistic and you know it. Our intelligence agencies have that proof and they are not about to publicize their methods or how they know. Proof for the public is the assessment made by our intelligence agencies a year ago, an assessment that was widely publicized. Yet, you seem to be unaware of that assessment. Now that is moronic.

3. Quit crying to me about proof. I have already written volumes of proof and I provided you the thread several posts ago, "Trump's staff coordinated with the Russians during the election." You failed to consult that thread. Instead, you kept bitching to me. Now that is moronic.

If you are really interested in proof -- as opposed to just wasting my time -- please see "Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe" and "Did Putin throw Trump under the bus?" The latter is most illuminating.

Your idea of a stable regime, Nazi Germany, is ludicrous. I would hardly kill a regime hated by all other regimes, a mass murderer of inferior types, and a regime bent on aggression and war as stable. Your reasoning is rather strange.

The number one priority of a conservative is a stable government. Why? Because all other conservative objectives emanates from a stable government. What is happening with the Trump administration is proof that the opposite is true as well.

The fact that you reject that premise and the fact that you voted for Trump, thus voting for an unstable government, indicates strongly that you are not a conservative, but you are masquerading as one, as do most Trump supporters. Trump isn't a conservative -- as I have shown -- so how can his supporters be conservative?

 

You didn't vote conservative. To be perfectly honest, neither did I, but I did vote for a stable government, while you voted for an unstable government. Deal with this.

Because Trump swings left and right, politically, has no core beliefs, and was a Democrat for most of his life, he can hardly be called conservative. Obviously, then, those that support him, like you, are hardly conservative. No one knows what to call Trump's fans, but it is not conservative. They are just members of Trump’s base, neither liberal nor conservative. Lately, several Trump fans have been attacking the Republican Party, primarily for their failure on the healthcare bill. That is hardly being a conservative.

I don't know where you get off saying you are a conservative. Your actions and the actions of your colleagues say something completely different.

 

First, as I have made clear, Trump supporters are not conservatives. Trump is not a conservative. How can his supporters be conservative?

Second, knowing there are no good alternatives where North Korea is concerned, noting you reject sanctions, what do you recommend?

On another thread I recommended shooting down Kim's missiles. It is a show of force, but no one gets killed and nothing is destroyed except a missile which falls harmlessly into the sea. It is the kind of language Kim understands. Plus, he may stop firing the damn things.

Its the kind of language Russia and China understands, too. Unlike Trump's meaningless rhetoric, it sends a message everyone understands. There is only one problem.

Trump doesn't have the balls for such a commitment. He will never give that order.

 

Exactly. And, who do we have? Trump. God help us.

 

But, given that we had exactly two (TWO) choices, what would you have preferred...? Hillary Clinton? Sure sounds like it....

Do you even begin to realize how much worse we would be off right now if Hillary had put another activist crudball like Sotomayor or Kagan on the Supreme Court. Maybe I've just gotten too good at looking at "silver linings" and not seeing the dark, sinister clouds that gather over this country. Have a nice day, Sandy.

 

As a conservative wanting a stable government rather than an unstable one, yes, under the circumstances I would prefer 25 years experience in the Oval Office; 25 years experience in governance, foreign affairs, and military matters rather then someone who has no experience at all in those areas.

I have more concerns than the judicial branch right now. I consider the judicial branch secondary to the Korean crisis, a President who thinks the leader of Russia is exemplary, healthcare legislation, tax reform, our crumbling infrastructure, and several other matters.

Fact is, I never think about the judicial branch. Obviously, you do, but, for the life of me, I don't know why.

Have a nice day back.

 

I don't have a Facebook. Trump wasn't who I voted for in the primary. The dnc cheated and gave us Hillary as our option. Tell me again why I voted trump and why Russia forced it.