Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)

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Do you believe we humans have been created or at least are guided?

  1. No.. all life has evolved due to random chance and particle inertia.

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  2. Yes. I have concluded that some sort of intelligence is guiding humanity.

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  3. No we humans are probably the most technologically advanced species in the multiverse.

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  4. Yes. I certainly see evidence of guidance and answered prayer in my own life.

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  5. No. a truly superior life form would not allow such injustice and suffering.

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  6. I really am not sure what to think?????

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So...… let's imagine Chris Hemsworth starring as you.... AboveAlpha..... and he does a film set in a casino.........… where he has unlimited financing in a micro - nation currency........ and a film is planned that is win - win - win - win for everybody..... A win for the casino.... a win for Chris.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hemsworth

    .... and this is planned in such a way to eventually be a win - win - win situation for the Sharks....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Tank

    Those Dennis Tate or George or William Malloy Volunteerism Hours...… are like a prop that are used in films designed to organize, increase and streamline volunteerism by the many hundreds and thousands of employees of the Shark Tank group of companies.

    Volunteerism in some form significantly increases employee satisfaction with the company that they work for.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I found that quotation about Satan being a great angel...… but NOT a son!


    I find that rather interesting........ because in comparison to our situation it could be somewhat like...… Satan/ Lucifer/ Iblis was a bit like A. I....... whereas Azazel King of the Watchers and the other 208 Watchers who fell with him over the daughters of men..... are clearly stated to be ...…


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    and also...…


    John 10:33


    "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

    So in a way... it was like Azazel and the Watchers were like humans...… but Satan / Lucifer/ Iblis and his angels..... were more like Artificial Intelligence that we might eventually invent?!
     
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    "No…. a truly superior life form would not allow such injustice and suffering."

    We have no idea what kinds of thought process a truly superior species would have. I used to make insects fight each other with zero regard for their well being.

    Aliens should be considered an existential threat.
     
  4. DennisTate

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    My belief is that G-d has evolved and learned so much over something resembling eternity in the past that...... G-d has gotten to the place where He is allowing humans and angels astonishing artistic freedom to do terribly selfish and sadistic things to each other but................ during the Life REview part of our near death .....(or I assume death experience)..... we do a Vulcan Mind Meld sort of thing with our victims........... in order to learn greater empathy for them?!

    I have philosophical and parapsychological evidence that indicates that there are powers so far above all alien life forms able to intervene in human affairs............ that aliens are really no threat if we humans will go over the heads of these aliens to the altruistic forces that are far above them.
     
  5. DennisTate

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    AboveAlpha....... Sir... have you seen "Transcendance" yet starring Johnny Depp?

    I saw it on Netflix a week or so ago and I was wondering if you thought that the threat posed by A. I. as presented in this movie is at all realistic?

    Oh....... I hope that my stupidity doesn't get you into trouble....... but pretty much as I have been doing for these past 26 years....... I am still playing around with "strange fire"

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=448782&page=40&p=1065995180#post1065995180
     
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    To put this simply, if you were Michael then I'd be Lucifer. our inherent beliefs about reality are so far apart as to be irreconcilable. This random rock we find ourselves on floats with no concern for human life and toward no grat destiny. Life is pain and suffering, with a little pleasure, but mostly for the people who have genetic and social advantages. Most people would be better off dead,l as there are so many unhappy people who cant adjust in moder Societies. the number in the millions the problem of evil just renders any violable diet y to be an evil monster. Mostly,. life is ugly and hopeless.
     
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    You say this but deep inside you there is NOTHING you would not do to hold onto life as long at the least it doesn't take life from others...or perhaps you would do that as well.

    I was clinically dead as I was shot multiple times working in the field.

    They brought me back.

    And I went through 16 hours of HELL on earth to stay alive.

    You don't really know until you are there.

    AA
     
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    So I take it you would have difficulty imagining that your consciousness existed previous to your birth and you consciously planned many things about your life in order to lean empathy and compassion for others?

    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/pre-existence.html

    Helen Wambach Ph. D. wrote two books about what people saw if they were hypnotized and regressed in time while in a trance. Her second book verifies what these near death experiencers report about our having some sort of over - soul that exists previous to our birth..... and takes part in planning much of our life.
     
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    It would take nothing more than what the bible already says God did to reveal himself to actual people. If we have a Moses come part one of the Great Lakes, that's going to go a pretty long ways, especially if scientists are able to study it. How about a man who can walk on water and heal people, even cripples and lepers, just by touching them. And imagine that we can study it all with our modern tools and see that it really is divine. That's all it would take.

    But apparently only the stone age people get to see the good stuff.
     
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    A gifted online friend of mine stated that walking on water........ was symbolic of thinking in such a way that could unite many people groups. Waters are a symbol of people he asserts.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

    http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...eory-modern-world-problems-even-possible.html
    Is a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems even possible?
     
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    If someone tried to take mine, of course I would gladly try to kill them, but that isn't the same as holding onto life dearly, on a daily basis.

    Apologies if my previous statements were incoherent and full of errors--I get pretty messed up at night!

    I have great difficulty imagining that, and I assume it is false.

    Empathy and compassion? I have very, very little. For whatever reason, perhaps a combination of biology and an insane environment, I simply don't value other people very much. I've tried, and my emotions of hate and envy are much stronger than my capacity for love or compassion--I simply don't feel much of anything. The older I've gotten (I'm only 31), the less compassion I feel.
     
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    I'm 56....... and I have to admit that the darkness that I have seen there within myself scares me!

    What would I do......… how would I treat people if I was sent back in time 500 years....... and given significant wealth or power at that time???????

    Back in the '90's I read both books by Helen Wambach Ph. D. and I have came to feel that her research could even positively affect inter racial relations:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/race-...head-past-life-regression-under-hypnosis.html

    What is that white guy doin in my head? (Past life regression under hypnosis).



    I read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s books back in the '90's and I am convinced that they have the potential to transform race relations.

    Well over sixty percent of Dr. Wambach's volunteers were women.... but almost exactly fifty percent of past lives viewed/ perceived.....were of men!

    White people see themselves as Black and Japanese and Chinese and Aboriginal in past lives. Roughly ninety percent of past lives viewed would be described as "poor" which is almost certainly not what would happen if people were simply remembering scenes from movies that they viewed as a child or teenager.

    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html



     
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    If you think about this for a while.... it really does.... but you must define what is meant by "all life?"

    The very existence of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy..... certainly seems to imply that intelligence would randomly occur there first....... not here in four dimensional space - time in carbon based biological units????

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    I haven't gotten down to discussing this with my wife yet.... but when the time comes I am leaning toward......… Resuscitate once.... and then A. N. D.....(allow natural death)...........

    ......that depends somewhat on what age I am at when I am facing a long stay in hospital..... or palliative care........but near death experiencer Christian Andreason....was shown that the time is coming when 99% or so of humanity will live a long life but then feel free to just pass on when the time comes...… We don't absolutely have to struggle to live to be a hundred..... or even close to it.... at this time yet..... but in the future..... one hundred will become something of a minimum...… and yes...… I cannot rule out some form of genetic manipulation playing a possible role in that............. for a significant percentage of us...........

    I think that is in chapter 8.....
    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/


    Chapter 8 - Questions and Answers

     
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    AA... does this statement fit well with what you have already seen about genuine psychics?


    http://revolutionaryspiritualism.yu...iH-Chapter-1-The-Search-for-Spiritual-reality
     
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    So true..... but I do love the phrase "Multiversal Overlap" you used yesterday.

    I do think that this phrase will set the stage for a better relationship between the scientific community and near death experiencers and other genuinely gifted people!?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=422285&page=6&p=1066070743#post1066070743


    Thread: Do you believe in the Paranormal?....

     
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    AboveAlpha........ I heard audible voice twice in my lifetime......
    back in 1990 I was praying and distinctly heard the question.....
    "Ask of me anything that you want and I will give it to you?"
    I was able to reply to that question rather quickly......

    By 1999.... I had raised and raised and raised my bet/ investment/ wager.....
    on my bid to pay off the "debt / guilt of Azazel".......

    After reading "Clay and Iron" by William Deagle M. D......
    as well as an article entitled... "The C...... Hit List"....
    I got worried that Messiah Yeshua- Jesus's bride was in serious trouble.......

    so since I had already years previously asked for wisdom.....like Hushai.....
    who went into the court of King Absolom - Ahithophel........

    and assisted King David........
    I volunteered to go all the way and play out the role of the "anti-Christ" guy of
    Christian apocalypse fame.............

    and turn things out for the better for the 144,000 and that vast innumerable multitude.......

    There is background info on my offer here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...en-angel-return-g-d-divide-kingdom-satan.html
     
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    My guess is that you are banging on the gates of heaven with your Multiverse Theory......
    That time branches......
    and we are capable of initiating better and better and better and better branches of time.....
    by learning from the already past time lines.... and coming up with
    alternatives to what we did before.............

    Modern prophecies and visions of the future are all flawed in that they probably already did occur......
    and therefore can be delayed and delayed and delayed......
    or even prevented altogether.......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...osophical-implications-multiverse-theory.html
    The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?
     
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    This is a truly brilliant answer to this question........

    To continue with the information that I began to give AA a few posts ago......
    In the summer of 1999 my then four year old son looked up at me and said......
    "Dad....... you're a tiger...... G-d laughed at the devils and the ghosts!"

    That statement really blew my mind.... .because I had been praying about pretty strange things
    since 1990......

    That same summer.... I heard audible voice again......
    I was either praying or in an attitude of prayer......
    The voice said.....
    "Are you sure you want to reign in hell.......... or do you want me to do it?"

    This voice scared me.... because it could have been Azazel.....
    whose guilt I had volunteered to pay off.......

    (For more information notice post #1 here):

    http://theschoolofthespirit.yuku.co...have-a-challenge-for-you-Sigmund#.V0LgEleYjQc
     
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    Perhaps an appropriate perspective in this case is to chalk it up to individualization, ego, and security concerns. Upon separation from the Source, the individual must deal with local interactions that can include adversity. The ego contemplates security and status. The goal of progressive growth and development of higher quality consciousness is to drive the ego towards zero. Then the individual has no need for jealousy, etc.
     
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    As Tom Campbell explains it, the info is "out there" in the data stream, as provided by the larger consciousness system. The relevant scenarios are stored as past actualized histories. Thus the info is accessed through consciousness. The "how", in physical terms, is nothing but one form of gimmick or another that seems to be the way to make it work for the individual, but these are just belief/habit props. The remote viewer does not really need to travel by astral body or mental body to the target even though that might seem to be the apparent facilitating mechanism. Similarly, there really isn't a rope-like vital lifeline/tether between the roving astral body and the physical body. That's just how the connection is perceived in a conventional way.

    The bottom line: physical reality is a construct of consciousness. Individuals experience it based on information received according to the rule set that governs physical laws.
     
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    Well I would have to say Physical Reality is dependent upon perception.

    AA
     
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    Naive materialism supposes that mind is an emergent property of matter. This is an assumption about the nature of reality. You run with it and see where it takes you.

    For most of my life - the first 45 years - I endorsed a rigid scientific materialism. The narrative of this worldview is that the ground state of your existence (consciousness) is an illusion.

    Over a number of decades, I have evolved my perspective. I see mind as the ground state of the universe, and material reality as its epi-phenomena. This view, incidentally is as consistent with the scientific method, as naive materialism.
     
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    Do you believe there is one Reality for us all, whether we recognize it or not?
     

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