Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)

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Do you believe we humans have been created or at least are guided?

  1. No.. all life has evolved due to random chance and particle inertia.

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  2. Yes. I have concluded that some sort of intelligence is guiding humanity.

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  3. No we humans are probably the most technologically advanced species in the multiverse.

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  4. Yes. I certainly see evidence of guidance and answered prayer in my own life.

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  5. No. a truly superior life form would not allow such injustice and suffering.

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  6. I really am not sure what to think?????

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Rene Descartes,... the father of modern philosophy,... said the only sure thing was that,... "I exist,"... because Descartes realized,... "I am thinking that thought,... right now."

    He knew he existed.
    But then he realized that Reality was communicating with him too.
    Reality must also exist!.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    As "Tom Campbell explains it, the info is 'out there' in the data stream, is provided" by Reality,... and called Truth by men.
     
  3. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know several people who have dreams that sure do seem to come to pass.......
    and who can read people....... and predict if somebody can be trusted or not.......

    These people are noticing things that I am unaware of......... my near death experiencer friends......
    are strangely gifted...... but tap into such energy that at times they seem to fry computer equipment that
    they are using........
     
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    This is called "self fulfilling prophecy". Just because there are amazing things out there, does not mean that God did it.
     
  5. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The idea that there are configurations of matter and energy that can gain knowledge of itself is an interesting concept indeed.

    I think this is worthy of a new thread.
     
  6. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Worship........ might just be a form of rather extreme thankfulness.....
    or gratefulness..... and although Dr. Masaru Emoto did not do a
    good job of explaining exactly how often he got the extreme results
    in his research.... At the least..... what he found out about words spoken to
    water...... could lay the foundation for further research.


    http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/water-crystal.html

    AboveAlpha..... I am going to make a prediction..........
    that over the rest of my life...... .the passages from Isaiah chapter 42 - 46 will become strangely more and more and more relevant.....
    and applcable in my life... and in what I do with my life.........

    Yes... there are some other explanations for this other than a G-d along the line of
    what is taught in Jewish or Christian scriptures but............
    what we are about to see will sure seem to be beyond the typical
    psychic phenomena.......

    I base this on the message I quoted in post #9 HERE.....
    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...have-decided-leave-canadas-liberal-party.html


    ......
    AboveAlpha..... if I end up winning an election or two........ or three.....
    that would be evidence for the existence of G-d..... because I am kind of an idiot.....

    my wife had a dream back around 2003 or 2003....
    she was on the phone talking to her mom.....
    she asked her mom to make plans to come to Canada.....
    her mom talked about how busy they were.......
    in the dream Maria Jose heard herself say......
    Dennis is being inaugurated as Prime Minister of Canada....
    and her mom replied that they would arrange to be there......

    My wife's dreams often come to pass.... but that is a truly strange one....
    I think it is also applicable as a metaphor..... one does not have to get elected to
    accomplish something worthwhile for their nation.......
     
  7. wgabrie

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    Dennis what's it like being a politician?
     
  8. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have only gotten 31 votes in all three of my campaigns combined.....
    so I am truly terrible at politics .... but....
    at least by expressing my opinions in such a public manner I end up set up
    to reach people with my ideas that I would not have been able to get to.....
    if I had not at least.... taken the step of campaigning myself.
     
  9. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The man being interviewed in this this video is also a psychic.......
    and....
    this may actually give you an answer to your original question as you see events
    take place over the next eight years that are predicted here?????!!!

    For the record.....
    I find this quite surprising myself?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwFWD_Htfo
    Trump Chosen by God To Stop America's Destruction - Astounding 2011 Prophecy
     
  10. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love the conflict.....
    criticism doesn't bother me all that much.....
    because I see a connection between my most serious mistakes of the past....

    with what I have learned that actually is of most value for others......
     
  11. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes... . and that segment of the population that go off into EXTREME anger,
    unforgiveness, bitterness..... and vengeance.......... feeling that all their problems
    can be blamed on another person or group...... or several groups........

    they could be the key to your quest to observe evidence that intelligence goes
    up into at least five or six more
    of the invisible dimensions of space - time that
    String Theory indicates.........

    IF THERE IS A POWER THAT CAN STOP EVIL.... bitterness..... anger.... vengeance....
    ..... and if that power can be demonstrated...... then...

    we have evidence for a benevolent..... loving... .forgiving..... truthful..... force or intelligence....
    that is greater than the forces of evil and vengeance......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=464562&p=1066388496#post1066388496
    Could psychic attack by occultists have played role in JFK assasination.
    Today is the first time that I have ever read of this specific theory on
    why President Kennedy was assassinated.

    Apparently.... some gifted psychics feared that he might start a nuclear
    war ....... so...........

    ....they broadcasted messages to have him killed?!

    http://revolutionaryspiritualism.yuk...s#.V4FzMlfA6UU

    WiH Chapter Conspiracies.

     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    Yeah Dennis but really what is evil?

    Now I have actually given this a fair amount of thought as we don't consider a CAT that has just hunted down and killed a mouse as evil.

    We don't consider ourselves as evil for raising farm animals and slaughtering them for food.

    So what is evil?

    In my opinion....evil is negatively effecting others or life when there is absolutely no reason to do so other than greed, search for power and perhaps sadistic gain.

    Now I am sure many members can poke holes in that and find exceptions...but it's the best I can come up with so far.

    AA
     
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    Man can look upon a house, and know that house was created. But when looking at a tree or something that actually has life in it, they seem to think it just popped into existence, chance, luck, nothing special about it. This baffles me. For they know a house does not just appear into existence. But that with life does.
     
  14. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am of the belief that lying.... which
    emerges out of cowardice in some form.....

    is a far more serious character flaw than we tend to imagine.....

    I personally do not like the idea of exaggerating an accusation even at.....

    the entity known to us religious types as Lucifer.... The Devil... Satan......

    I suspect that the most fundamental energy "fallen angels".....
    for lack of a better term.........

    even if they once upon a time a long time ago.....

    got into a mentality of a lack of thankfulness for all the astonishing effort that went into the creation,......

    Surely by now... they will have improved and if in fact they are broadcasting
    attitudes of hatred, anger, greed, lust...... or even sadism......

    in a sense... they may be attempt to get us to see the evil within our own hearts.....

    much as shown by the Stanley Milgram Ph. D. research.

    I know that you know all about this one....
    but some of our readers may not know his name.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

    ......
    IF........ an astonishingly intelligent life form..... or should I write....Life Form.....
    has evolved in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy........

    then if... that life form has came up with no way to bring back some of the most fallen
    messed up intelligences...... then.... that life form would be somewhat undeserving of the
    veneration that we religious types give to our version of G-d?!

    If... some intelligence can make the following principle into an absolute.....
    then that entity... intelligence.... would be deserving of the title......"G-d!"

    Luke 7:47

    "Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. "
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I personally believe.... that to at least some degree.....

    that the most fallen "DEvil, demon. Satan"

    has some class... still in there.... and a desire to rise up to a higher level.......

    and improve........ and be more truthful.... .and less of an Accuser.....

    could my belief.... have a positive effect on a fallen angel?


    AboveAlpha.... imagine that you......
    were Azazel for a moment...............

    would you... .turn down my wager... investment.... bet......
    offer...... on your guilt?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...en-angel-return-g-d-divide-kingdom-satan.html
     
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    Yes…. I have concluded that some sort of intelligence is guiding humanity.

    Yes…. I certainly see evidence of guidance and answered prayer in my own life.

    Dennis, when I voted in your poll I was somewhat in an altered state of consciousness because my meds failed me.

    It turns out that the generic brand of Risperdal that I was taking, when I switched Pharmacies, wasn't as potent as the brand I was taking before that worked for me.

    And I saw a spiritual side of life, but I was so paranoid it wasn't worth it.
     
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    If he zaps me NOW there's a god

    nope... still here...
     
  18. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those two answers that you quote are the same two responses to this poll that I gave myself........

    When somebody becomes genuinely more psychic.......

    there is a down side to the process.....

    Back in 1990 and 1991 when I was taking high levels of a nutritional supplement
    named Matol.... I became so psychic for a few weeks that I even saw aura's

    around a flock of Evening Grossbeaks

    When I stopped taking so much Matol... I became less psychic......

    When I began to take MSM and my body went through a gradual detoxification.....

    I came up out of a pretty rough place and began to experience Shalom / peace of mind unlike ever before......

    I am sure glad that you have found a drug that helps you to be able to have a normal life......
    Only Chlorpromozine (pardon my spelling) worked for my dad to stop the auditory and visual halucinations.....
    and yes.. .the paranoia.....
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "NOW"... is a relative rather than absolute term......
    "zaps"... is a relative rather than absolute term.....

    it is my belief that you.... Scarlet Witch... .are my great, great, great, great.... granddaughter from one or more of my
    possible / probable past lives........(based on the Dr. Ian Stevenson and Helen Wambach Ph. D. research plus some NDE accounts).

    Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus appears often to another friend of mine who
    .. .might also term herself something of a witch.......

    She says that he is an amazing comedian...... keeps her laughing a lot......
    and has even told her that she should introduce him to her friends in the
    New Age Movement as Rabbi Yesh......... to break away from some of the
    silly ideas that we Christians have.........
    (Yeshua - u/you and a/a) = Yesh

    She knew immediately that he had indeed taught......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...hy-reincarnation-edited-out-christianity.html
    Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?
    ....
    ….
    After a couple of decades of practice Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. was able to gain a similar state of consciousness to his NDE from 1966 and hear Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching his disciples.

    My friend knew that he had taught things like this....
    because she had actual memories of being one of his female disciples........(plus)+
     
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    Dennis, I'm relatively sure I absolutely did not get zapped

    Please tell me you were a human in your past life.

    Also, I need to clear something up.... I am not a witch in real life... although I do have a broom, I don't think that classifies me as a witch.

    I'm very relieved to hear this
     
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    Thank you for clearing that up.....
    some of my best friends online refer to themselves as witches.....

    so to me...... it is not a negative term at all.

    Helen Wambach Ph. D. in all her thousands of cases of regressing people in time to
    what appeared like past lives found essentially no cases of somebody being something
    other than human in a past life.......

    but the guys who saw past lives as women were seriously freaked out.....

    The evidence for universal salvation is indeed profoundly encouraging.....

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h
    h. Who goes to heaven?

     
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    Simple, all Yahweh/Allah/Cthulu/Perendi has to do is to say "Hey! Luxichan! I exist, I'm right here!"

    That would prove his existence though.

    Secondly Mr. Yahweh would have to display his power, and show that he can do feats that are beyond human understanding. Can he make a stone that even he can't lift up?
     
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    How would that work? Where would the heavy stone be and where would God stand while trying to lift it?
     
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    Hmmm...yeah.

    A Ultra-Massive Black Hole.

    AA
     
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    But what would God stand on when lifting it?
     

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