So you are saying that arbitration councils should be illegal? I agree, too many corporations use them to avoid legal judgements against them.
Ive seen a British father do pretty much exactly the same thing because he didnt approve of what his daughter was wearing. As far as Im aware, none of the other adults present reported it so he didnt even receive any punishment.
The law of the land DOES apply to everyone in the UK. Sharia courts are used as arbitration in certain disputes and NEVER trump "the law of the land". Quite frankly, if muslims [or jews/hindus/etc] want to settle certain matters within their own court system and save costs/resources of the normal legal system, I'm all for that.
They do, duh.... Four Rabbis Indicted In Divorce Kidnappings Its one of the most morally complex issues to hit the Orthodox Jewish world in recent years. In a story which lies at the very crossroads of Orthodox Jewish law and secular U.S. law, four rabbis and one of their sons were indicted yesterday by a federal grand jury for allegedly conspiring to kidnap and force Jewish men to grant their wives religious divorces. The menRabbis Mendel Epstein, 68, Martin Wolmark, 56, Jay Goldstein, aka Yaakov, 60, David Epstein, 39, and Binyamin Stimler, 38hail from Brooklyn, Monsey, N.Y., and Lakewood, N.J. and face up to life in prison for conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and 20 years for attempted kidnapping. In addition, as the result of months of investigation, David Epstein, aka AriMendel Epsteins sonhas been indicted. Goldstein and Wolmark face three additional counts of kidnapping, and David Epstein faces nine counts of kidnapping, tying this case to other cases from 2009 and 2010. The conspiracy to commit kidnapping was uncovered by an FBI sting operation. An officer pretending to be a woman whose husband was refusing to grant her a Jewish divorce, leaving her in the limbo state of being an agunaha chained wifeturned to Epstein and Wolmark. According to the indictment, Epstein was recorded telling the undercover FBI agent: Sup, suppose we, ya know this is an expensive thing to do. Its not simply basically what we are going to be doing is kidnapping a guy for a couple of hours and beating him up and torturing him and then getting him to give the get. The good rabbi specified: We take an electric cattle prod If it can get a bull that weighs five tons to move, you put it in certain parts of his body and in one minute the guy will know. For $60,000, tough guys would kidnap and beat her husband into agreeing to divorce her, Epstein promised. An additional $10,000 would have to be paid to the rabbinical court to approve the kidnapping and the use of violence. ................More at the Link................
Of course.. Beit Din has been around for hundreds of years.. and its not a problem.. In fact, this sort of arbitrage may relieve some of the burden on court dockets.. You are correct that it's not binding unless the higher courts of British law sign off on it. The objections are just based on ignorance... or deliberate fear mongering.
Honor killing in America: DOJ report says growing problem is hidden in stats 23-27 documented honor killings every year in the U.S., many more go unreported America’s Honor Killings A Growing Reality
Yes I do and Christian Law and any other religious institution that sets itself up to judge. But the reason is quite simple, look at what happened with catholic priests who abused children. The church attempted to deal with these scum itself and also put pressure on its members to adhere to the churches decision.
Plenty of non-Muslim Honor Killings but the media just calls them crimes of passion. You really need to stop falling for that slight of hand BS.
Honor killings are NOT Islamic.. They're just murder. Honor killings in Sardinia are not Catholic nor do they get a pass under Italian law. When American men kill wives and lovers, we call that a crime of passion .. Its still murder and treated as such.
The KKK is a Democrat anti-Republican org. - - - Updated - - - Do you have any victim number stats on Christian terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism?
Does Islam Justify Honor Killings? The media and moderate Muslims like Jasser and Manji miss the point. The victim was not Islam but a 25-year-old girl. An honor killing is defined as the murder of a girl or woman who has allegedly committed an act that has shamed and embarrassed her family. For the family to show its community that it has reasserted control, the woman is killed. Thus, “harm to reputation” is a partial or complete defense to murder. No passage in the Koran discusses honor killings, but Muslim clerics justify them and secular Muslims either do not punish them or pass laws to mitigate punishment for them. With this, Muslims make honor killings a part of Islam. Honor killings are justified under Islam in some Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia. For example, tenth-grade textbooks teach Saudi children that it is permissible to kill adulterers. In April 2008, a girl was killed by her father for talking to a boy on Facebook, an online social networking website. A leading Saudi cleric, Sheikh Ali al-Maliki, was outraged that girls had access to such websites where they could post pictures of themselves and otherwise “behave badly,” but showed no concern over the girl actually killed. Honor killings are justified as a necessary part of culture in other Muslim countries such as Jordan, which is technically a secular kingdom with a representative parliament. In 2001 King Abdallah presented a bill outlining stiff penalties for honor killings, but parliament rejected it, stating, “it [punishing honor killings] would encourage adultery and create new social problems.” Four years later, honor killings accounted for one-third of all violent deaths in Jordan in 2005, where perpetrators received as little as six months in prison under the penal code. Secular Iraq offers no punishment. Consider the following anecdotal evidence. This year, a 17-year-old named Rand Abdel-Qader was killed by her father because she had a crush on a British soldier. The arresting Iraqi sergeant stated that “not much can be done when we have an “˜honor killing’ case. You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws.” The father also killed his wife, who left him after the murder of their daughter. He will not be prosecuted for either murder in Iraq.
And its still considered murder. There is no honor in honor killings and just like in the US, they have their share of idiot clerics.
Are these guys, idiot clerics? [video=youtube;nA3xN5ptZXM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA3xN5ptZXM[/video]
Were talking about domestic affairs. If you read my post AT ALL, you would know this Furthermore, The Tribunal Act states that as long as ALL parties involved agree, The decision made by the court will have full legal authority
and everyone in the crowd are dummies too? Is the islamic penalty for homosexuality, death? Is the islamic penalty for adultery by a woman, stoning? Cause everyone in the video agrees..... - - - Updated - - - legally impossible? lol wtf? Is that like gunning down people in a gun free zone, is legally impossible?
Well, like I said, I'm open to the reinstatement of public flogging for public employees that are true examples of a real piles of crap. The example made of them will help the others to do better.
Those are the penalties in ALL Abrahamic religions. And yes, impossible because civil law wins out if their is a contradiction. Religions law only applies in civil cases and if everyone agrees. Otherwise national (secular) law takes precedence. This whole thread is built on a legal misunderstanding. A misunderstanding that has been repeatedly corrected.
