The "Fear of Sharia law"

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  1. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

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    Jews abide by secular law, are not trying to carve out special exemptions for themselves, and are not trying to impose Jewish law on everyone.

    Muslims do create Islam only zones, and are trying to impose Islam on everyone.
     
  2. Lesh

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    Please provide a link that shows the following to be true

    Muslims do create Islam only zones, and are trying to impose Islam on everyone.

    And by the way...It appears that you aren't aware of the Catskills region. Orthodox Jews absolutely are trying to "carve out" zones where they are if not the only inhabitants...they are the predominant ones. They also are taking over school boards and town councils to enact local ordinances that favor them.

    Now don't misunderstand and say that I oppose this. I'm merely saying that it is so and you seem ignorant of the reality.
     
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    There is a big difference between getting elected to town councils ("taking over") and passing regulations or laws that can stand legal challenges and that the local community fully supports, and moving into an area and forcibly denying access to the local authorities in order to create a Islamic mini-fiefdom.

    "No Go" zones seems to be too strong a word although semi-autonomous zone is more accurate. They exist through a combination of defiance from the muslims and hesitancy from authorities to enter the area. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/396918/question-no-go-zones-europe-daniel-pipes

    And there is no doubt that there are muslim ghetto's in Europe in which police are reluctant to enter without backup, and are centers of radical islam http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-was-home-to-two-of-the-gunmen-a6735551.html
    “We don’t officially have no-go zones in Brussels, but in reality, there are, and they are in Molenbeek.”
     
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    What is your basis for that?
    You're not quoting me. I'm not sure why you're changing the subject.
    The subject is sharia law and what's happening now. Not what people have done.
     
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    Not true. We are not under the law because his sacrifice freed us from it.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

    The Nicean Creed has nothing to do with what you say it did. It was about the divinity of Jesus
    and nothing else.
    The first Christians were Jews. Secondly, the Jews tried to make Christianity keep the law but Paul
    showed them that it wasn't necessary because we are no longer under the law. He brought that up
    to Peter who was being trying to do just that. Christianity isn't under the law.

    Romans 8:3-5
    3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in
    the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the
    requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according
    to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but
    those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

    If you can provide some evidence of your thinking then please provided it.

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    Which provides the best reason not to have sharia law. It would be useless.
     
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    Which gives us the best reason for not having it. Thanks for the help.

    Romans 8:3-5
    3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in
    the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the
    requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according
    to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but
    those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
     
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    Correct. The law isn't abolished. It was fulfilled. Big difference. We aren't no longer under
    the law.
     
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    Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)


    Now let's break it down

    I'd like to first point out the bold of the first sentence. Notice the OR in it? Ok, we know from common sense that you can't "fulfill" a law. That doesn't even make any sense.

    This is why OR is so important. If isn't talking about the law, he must be talking about prophet. You can fulfill a prophecy unlike a law.

    Still have doubts?

    Let's go even deeper and look at the word "fullfill"

    Fullfill- carry out (a task, duty, or role) as required, pledged, or expected.

    So we know it's not law that the text refers to.

    But here's the final nail in the coffin.


    Look at the second underlined bolder part.


    Notice how clear its being.

    "Untill haven and earth have away not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law"

    Now I don't think I have to explain as this is too obvious
     
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    Really? You believe it's because I don't like their religion? What evidence do you
    have to support that outrageous claim? You're quick to judge without any evidence.

    It's too bad you want to incorporate religious laws that we don't need. I'll never understand you
    pro-theocracy types.
     
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    It's obviously that you don't understand the New Testament.

    We aren't under the law. Jesus fulfilled the law.
     
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    It's obvious that Jesus was the one who spoke these words too.

    And he said that you should follow the old law until the end of time. Or however long it takes Heaven and Earth to pass away

    So I guess disregarding jesus' techings and rules is the new christian thing to do. Or is it only when it's convenient?
     
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    No, you're wrong. For the Catholics there isn't a second coming. So Jesus task, to save us by making the ultimate sacrifice, is quite done.
     
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    It would be wise if you didn't talk about things you don't understand or know about.

    Second Coming of Christ (The End of the World)
    http://www.catholicessentials.net/secondcoming.htm

     
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    See what is written in parenthesis in your quote... That is only one source. Jesus isn't coming back. We're the one that will go to him at the end of the world.
     
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    Correct.
    He said no such thing.
    You're equating abolish and fulfill as the same thing. They aren't.
    So far I haven't disregarded Jesus' teaching but you've gone out of your way to
    change what he said to something you want him to say. Does that make it convenient
    for you?
     
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    So from reading above, the opposition and fear of Sharia Law comes from nothing but a feeling that your religion is better than some other one?

    Guess what?

    That's not the point.

    You can have your opinion of Islam. But claiming that their religious law trumps our civil law is just plain false.
     
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    Do you have some new found evidence that he isn't coming back? If so would you please
    provide it?
     
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    Who's said this? I mean besides you.
    Besides you, who's said this?
     
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    Maybe I misunderstood what the right has been saying all this time about Sharia Law.

    But I'm still confused as to why you (the right) would be afraid of something you understand does not over ride our own civil law.
     
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    He clearly did


    until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place
     
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    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

    Jesus said "Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."

    Heaven and earth has not passed away yet.
     
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    Islam is behaving exactly as did the ancient Jewish patriarchs, 3000 years ago.
    And every Christian ought at least support the muslim anti-sexual promiscuity ideas, even though telling the truth about sexual immorality is the Christian formula, not violence.

    Since the Sexual Revolution of 1965. America now has:
    1.2 million Abortions every year.

    Bastard filled inner cities which are unsafe.

    Fatherless kids suffering enormous child abuse.

    No Fault Divorce which splits half the property of a couple equally.

    Illegitimacy for 50% of all births in America.

    Marriage for Gays legal.

    No marriage for single sexually active girls who have no children.

    Welfare costs at $ 1 Trillion dollars annually.

    70% of all violent crimes by bastards grown up.

    Double the Unskilled Labor Force driving wages way down.

    Taxes for Day Care and Pre-school for parents who both work.
     
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    Yes, he clearly said that he came to fulfill the law. Until you face this fact there is
    nothing you can do to provide evidence to the contrary.

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    You're posting a reply to somebody else. Not me.
     

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