The "Fear of Sharia law"

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  1. Fallen

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    Domestic affairs are very important


    Mr MacEoin said: 'Among the rulings we find some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human rights standards as applied by British courts.'

    Examples set out in his study include a ruling that no Muslim woman may marry a non-Muslim man unless he converts to Islam and that any children of a woman who does should be taken from her until she marries a Muslim

    Further rulings, according to the report, approve polygamous marriage and enforce a woman's duty to have sex with her husband on his demand.

    The report added: 'The fact that so many sharia rulings in Britain relate to cases concerning divorce and custody of children is of particular concern, as women are not equal in sharia law, and sharia contains no specific commitment to the best interests of the child that is fundamental to family law in the UK.

    'Under sharia, a male child belongs to the father after the age of seven, regardless of circumstances.'

    It said: 'Sharia courts operating in Britain may be handing down rulings that are inappropriate to this country because they are linked to elements in Islamic law that are seriously out of step with trends in Western legislation.'

    Some will make every excuse for Islam


    There is alot of intimidation and threats to make women agree
     
  2. DavidMK

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    Sure but as I said, everyone has to agree to the terms. If a married couple is getting divorced and 1 wants to go thru the normal divorce court, than a religious divorce court has no authority because the civil courts take precedence if their is a contradiction. If everyone DOES agree, than there isn't an issue in the 1st place. The idea that religious law is being imposed on everyday society is just wrong.
     
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    You obviously missed the intimidation part


    However, they operate behind doors that are closed to independent observers and their decisions are likely to be unfair to women and backed by intimidation, a report by independent think-tank Civitas said.

    The sharia courts in the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal are recognised as courts under the Arbitration Act. This law, which covers Jewish Beth Din courts, gives legal powers to a tribunal if all parties involved accept its authority.

    The reality is that for many Muslims, sharia courts are in practice part of an institutionalised atmosphere of intimidation, backed by the ultimate sanction of a death threat.'It said: 'Sharia courts operating in Britain may be handing down rulings that are inappropriate to this country because they are linked to elements in Islamic law that are seriously out of step with trends in Western legislation.'

    They should throw out all Sharia court. Why have 1 law for 1 people and another law for another.

    It creates rifts in the fabric of society.

    One law should be followed, and that is the law of the land that treat EVERYONE equality.

    Regardless of gender or religious background
     
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    There are numerous examples of polygamy in the Torah, none of which are condemned.

    No, but they are allowed to have sex with 3 year-old girls.

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24 - "If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city."
     
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    There are not the penality for Catholics. Jesus didn't condemn anyone, he forgave everyone.
     
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    Do Jews particle this now? I never heard of anything

    On the other hand, there are manly cases for muslims still practicing this OUTDATED barbaric practice
     
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    He also stated that the Law was to be respected. He forgave crimes against him (and is also Yahweh in disguise according to Christian teachings). However if you violate the Law, you must (if you give legal weight to religious law) be punished accordingly. All Abrahamic religions have the same basic laws and punishments. That this doesn't happen is a matter of secular law taking precedence, not theology.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't care whats the old book says. It is not Qu'ran, Jews do not have to live by it.
     
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    He also said not to judge lest you'd be judge and that only those who have not sin are to cast the first stone.

    BTW the Catholic church doesn't follow the old testament. When I was growing up we had religious class in school (1st year up to the 12th year of school) and we were instructed only in the new testament. The only time we got to hear about stuff in the old testament was in passing and to describe what was before Christ.
     
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    And I'd buy that if Catholics didn't make female clerics cover up and condemn homosexuality/witchcraft. The RCC (and Christians at large) follows the Law because Jesus said it was still relevant. They just don't follow it consistency because much of it doesn't jive with modern morality.
     
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    But Christ said

    For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven


    It's not the end of the world sooo...I don't think all is accomplished
     
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    We don't have the RC church dictating USA laws. Who the church says can get married, is no longer considered at all when the state issues marriage licenses. Same goes for those who get divorced.
    But if you want to keep out religious laws altoghether, I am all for it.
    Just wish folks would stop whining about religious freedoms being lost. Seems you are for losing religious freedom of others, how about what you might think are yours?
     
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    http://www.jewfaq.org/halakhah.htm
    It is their laws, way of life. If they are truly following their religion.
    Now many may not be a true jewish believer.
     
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    Sharia courts that don't carry the authority of actual law aren't really courts so much as they are just committees of private citizens. They don't have any more power to set or enforce the law than your local Shriners chapter does. If anything, all the folks around here who keep arguing about how religious people should be allowed to do this or that regardless of the law are helping to enable things like sharia courts to exist. It's the same exact idea, just applied with different subject matter.
     
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    Except they really don't as those "law" concerning women and gays aren't really based on te old testament but instead they follow papal edict from the middle ages. Same with the celibacy for priest which is the result of a Papal edict and not canon to the teaching of Christ.

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    His death fulfiled the law.
     
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    No, he said until ALL is accomplished.

    EVERYTHING will be accomplished at the end of days as per revelations


    EVERYTHING isn't accomplished yet as christ still has things to do.
     
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    Are Jews still stoning people to death and cutting off heads? Are practitioners of that
    "religion of peace" still stoning people to death and cutting off heads as used by sharia
    law? I guess one can water down the law to fit a purpose. I prefer to look at the entire
    picture.
     
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    If the Ultra Orthodox ever take control of Israel that's exactly what they'll do. You can't compare a religion with several theocracies to a religion that has no theocracies and only 1 nation in which they're the majority (and only if you count in a certain way) to say that 1 religion is worse. There are plenty of Jews and Christians as violently minded as the Muslims, they simply lack legal sanction while the Muslims have the law on their side in some countries. Tell the theocrats of any religion to have at it and only the hippy New Age types aren't going to be killing people in the streets.
     
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    Jesus fulfilled the law. He didn't destroy it. We are no longer under the law.

    The law has a purpose. It shows us that we are sinners.
     
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    He did no such thing. All he did (and this is only if you accept the Nicene Creed) was die for humanity's sins, the ultimate blood sacrifice. The Law still applies and he even said as much. Christians (who were/are mostly gentiles) just don't want to keep Kosher and so made up excuses that, with time, have developed a sense of legitimacy.
     
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    Is any of that a scenario that our law would accept?

    Of course not.

    Stop whining about something that won't ever occur.
     
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    I recall jesus saying that he has not come to abolish any law.

    Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

    He merely came to fulfill the prophecies which states that he will come


    It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

    There was no prophecy that said that Jesus would abolish any law

    So if he didn't come to abolish any law and only to fulfill the prophecy, and the prophecy didn't mention him abolishing any law...then those laws don't get abolished
     
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    All of which is cute, but has nothing to do with the fact that Sharia Law is subject to OUR law first.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    why religion should never matter:


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