The "Fear of Sharia law"

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  1. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    It's cool. You can ignore that Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law if you want to.
     
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    Except for the religion of secular humanism, right?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    secular humanism is not a religion, as it has no deity.
     
  4. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    It's a way of life, just like Islam and Buddhism.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    a way of life is not a religion if it has no deity at the core of its belief system
     
  6. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    "A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Many religion have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe."
     
  7. Lesh

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    And back on track.

    There is nothing to fear from Sharia Law because it does not supersede our own laws.
     
  8. cupid dave

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    Its not the Law which is a problem.
    The enforcement is the problem.

    Religious people believe God said to do things a certain way, and then they assume they are the vehicle to punish those people who they believe break the Law.
    What happens in every case is that people still do what they will, slowly expanding the bad behaviors.
    In time, the society is generally breaking the Laws.

    What Jesus said was to tell people how the bad behavior hurts themselves, and others, too, especially kids.
    When a society become more secular without understanding how sexual promiscuity ends up with necessary Abortions in the millions every year, illegitimate babies for half of all births in America, now, fatherless kids because No Fault Divorce encourages wives to sue for half the estate and leave, but millions of never married girls getting Welfare for bastard kids we can see the problems here.
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    a religion without a deity or a belief in the super-natural, is not a religion.

    sorry.
     
  10. Goomba

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    Not according to the definition.

    Sorry.
     
  11. Sane Centrist

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    And "THAT" my intelligent friend, is the source of all the problems over there.
     
  12. Jonsa

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    You quote the opening paragraph of wiki as the definition, but fail to quote the various definitions in the article itself.

    Secular humanism could be described as a religion if one is selective about which definition of the word one uses. OTOH, by MOST definitions of the word religion, it does not qualify.

    For instance there is nothing sacred in secular humanism, there are no rituals, rites, prayers, clergy, scripture and definitely no superior supernatural being.
     
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    Sure, it doesn't qualify by most standard definitions. Not in English anyway; the Arabic word for "way of life" also means religion (din).
     
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    Someday folks on the right, will figure out why I don't want the ten commandments posted above the local courthouse or a little nativity scene on the judges desk . The reason is in this thread right here.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most understandable. It is not surprising that "way of life" also means religion, considering how inextricably entwined Islam and culture are in most Arabic societies.
     
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    Sorry about that.
     
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    Exactly what I was going to post.
     
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    IF it were a religion, then it also.
     
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    1. Rituals? sure there are - denying there is a God or Gods..

    2. Rites? sure there are - accepting the virtue of atheism.

    3. Prayers? sure there are - vocally opposing the concept of religion..

    4. Clergy? of course there are - they're called atheist leaders..

    5. Scripture? of course there is - it's called atheist dogma..

    6. There is no supernatural being? sure there is - not a being but a process called evolution...

    You do realize that atheists have actual "churches" right?

    Atheism is a religion - it's blind faith in a set of beliefs... Atheists blindly believe and have faith in the notion there is no God..
     
  20. snakestretcher

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    Well see, here's the problem. If they are operating behind closed doors and no independent observers have seen what happens in these tribunals, I suggest that guesswork by the author isn't helping his case.
     
  21. Ronstar

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    well, that shows a misunderstanding and an unsophisticated language.

    not my problem
     
  22. Prunepicker

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    Nobody is saying the law has passed away. It's been fulfilled. You're not accepting the fact that
    Jesus said, "I have come not to abolish but fulfill the law and the prophets."

    Here are the facts.
    1. The law hasn't been destroyed.
    2. The law hasn't been abolished.
    3. The law hasn't passed way.
    And here's the fact you're not accepting,
    4. The law has been fulfilled through Jesus.
     
  23. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WOW.

    I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a theist would seek out parallels of their own faith in atheism.

    I have belief that there is no god or gods, but as an agnostic atheist I also recognize that I could be wrong since definitive proof one way or another is entirely lacking.
    That doesn't fit my definition of faith.

    btw, there's nothing "blind" about my beliefs, nor those of most atheists I know.
     
  24. Jonsa

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    No, Arabic is not an unsophisticated language.
    Goomba's response actually reflects his own understanding of what defines a religion.

    Such differences in perceived meaning are often lost in translation.
     
  25. Lesh

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    It's amazing how this has fallen into a "my religion is better than THAT one" discussion.

    We get it. Religious hard liners hate Islam. Your intolerance of the Muslim religion is not all that different from that which you are attacking.

    but again.

    Sharia Law does NOT over ride our own civil law.

    The "fear" of that is totally ungrounded.
     

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