The Truth about Immigration

China and North Korea are FRIENDS... their border is porous as a result. How about the North Korean border with South Korea? A fly sneaking through would never make it. The Iron Curtain worked well too. I saw it before it went down. A few got through... but VERY few.
Patton's comments are about tactical fortifications which can be bypassed and neutralized by maneuver forces that are out to kill their enemy. The Maginot Line failed to stop the German Army with aircraft, tanks and mobile Infantry. I bet it would stop a bunch of illegals on foot in a heartbeat. Don't confuse discussion of war, combat, death and nations against nations with pedestrians sneaking into a country.

 

What's the root cause?

 

Jobs? LOL... why take a job when welfare, Medicaid and free education await?

 

Illegals do not get welfare generally. Their US citizen children may, if they qualify, but not illegals. From the link below, it states, "The major federal public benefits programs have long excluded some non–U.S. citizens from eligibility for assistance. Programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), nonemergency Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and its precursor, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), were largely unavailable to undocumented immigrants and people in the United States on temporary visas." And here is a list of eligible immigrants for such programs:

• lawful permanent residents, or LPRs (people with green cards)
• refugees, people granted asylum or withholding of deportation/removal, and conditional entrants
• people granted parole by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for a period of at least one year
• Cuban and Haitian entrants
• certain abused immigrants, their children, and/or their parents
• certain survivors of trafficking
• individuals residing in the U.S. pursuant to a Compact of Free Association (COFA) (for Medicaid purposes only)

Most are legal immigrants and with illegal immigrants, certain conditions must exist such as certain abused immigrants or individuals residing in the US pursuant to a Compact of Free Association. But refugees and people granted parole or withholding of deportations are usually deemed "in status" under the law, even if it is temporary.

https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/

 

they are not on welfare. This is about as bad as stating Native Americans with casinos on the reservation must be rich type of argument.

 

Not another great white replacement theory crap. Second, this country will not become an authoritarian unless the voters are stupid enough to elect a supermajority of MAGA politicians and Trump, who really wants to be king for a lifetime.

 

Yes and no. In NK, if you are caught fleeing the country, you and your immediate family will be executed, publicly I might add. And another three generations will be forced into labor camps for three generations. China has always, whether under the imperial rule or Communist rule, have always been hard on illegal immigration. The NK escapees into china had to hide in fear, change their name, learn the language, and made decisions that one cannot imagine. Hypseong Lee, Yeomni Park, Cherie Yung, and Evelyn Yung are all North Korean refugees living here in the US and each one has their own horror story to tell on how they escaped, why, and how China if discovered in China, would send them back to NK.

BTW, a border wall IS a tactical defensive fortification, much like the Maginot Line or the Siegfried Line. The invasion is not an army with rifles, tanks, and artillery, but desperate people who for the most part want a better life. And if you are going to call illegal immigration an "invasion," then Patton's comments are very accurate in this argument.

 

As a Texan myself, I must point out that you are wrong again. As in most Texas towns not located right on the border, there is a high percentage of Hispanic families. But that does not mean they are newly arrived from crossing the border. My neighbor is Hispanic. His family has been here since the before the Alamo was ever heard of. He and his family are as American as apple pie. The Real Estate agent that helped us buy our house had an ancestor who fought in the American Army in WWI. Your assumption that Plano's Hispanics are mostly immigrants is pure propaganda.

 

The Great Replacement is not a theory, it is a fact that can be verified just by opening your eyes.

 

I am too, 9th generation. However, it is near where I live. In the DFW area, we have a large Korean population, a large Japanese Population, a large Chinese population from mainland and overland Chinese, we are beginning to have a And large Filipino population, we have a large Iranian population from the time of The Shaw, Hispanics, especially San Antonio, Houston, Austin, El Paso, West Texas, and even in the DFW area. And the list goes on. If you thought it was just Mexicans or Hispanics for diversity, you could not have been more wrong.

 

It's a conspiracy theory. No one is going to "replace" you. What do you think this is? District 9?

 

I urge you to visit the border crossing in the Calexico/El Centro area. it is typical of many, many parts of the border. Hundreds of pregnant women sit up against the chain link border fence. When their water break, the dad run up, cuts the wire and helps momma through. The Border Guards have no choice but to take the woman to a local US hospital where an "anchor baby"is born. Instant welfare, medical and all sorts of other benefits await. Some families return to Mexico, maintaining just a P.O. Box on the US side to collect the checks.

Your regulations work in a perfect world. This is NOT a perfect world.

 

Come with me to the casinos just east of San Diego... the Indian casinos on Indian reservations. Before e moved a few years ago my wife did taxes for many of them. The money from the casinos goes to the tribe and is distributed among them. Winnebagos GALORE!

 

Right. Immigrants are NOT outfitted with tanks, aircraft or artillery.... THAT IS WHY A WALL will work. The Siegfried Line didn't stop Patton. He had aircraft, tanks and artillery. The Maginot Line didn't stop the Germans, they drove AROUND IT. Walls keep prisoners from going outside because they have no artillery, tanks or aircraft. Just like illegal aliens have no such things. Wall work. Ask any prisoner. Oh... and ask Obama... he's building a big one around his home to keep people out. He thinks it'll work.

 

Yes.. Trump forcing us to drive electric cars is TYRANNY. Trump making us wear masks and limit our travel based on vaccinations... is TYRANNY. Trump forcing us to pay other people's college loans when we have paid our own is TYRANNY!

Wait... that's Biden.... oops

 

Right... almost all of whom arrived LEGALLY!!! LEGALLY!! Sprechen Sie "LEGAL"? Comprende "LEGAL"?

 

You seem confused. People oppose illegal immigration. Your articles are referring to legal immigration. You are incorrectly conflating the two as if they are the same thing. Obviously immigration is necessary and desirable. This does not mean that illegal immigration is necessary and desirable.

Why do you think that we as a country should not be allowed to control who does and does not live here?

You talk a lot about using facts and data, but it seems that at every turn you take perfectly valid facts but then wholly misunderstand the implication of those facts. This is another of those situations.

 

That's not why we have a fentanyl problem.

Leaving fentanyl out of it, we need to block people from entering the country without going through ports of entry. We need to use people at the border that we as quickly as possible replace with physical controls. We also need a national ID that replaces other IDs for Social Security, medical care, work visas, green cards, etc. If you become naturalized, or overstay a visa, reach Medicare age—your status changes are reflected in your attached database. It's already true for the Nexus Pass. We must then require employers check the work status of a potential employee using biometric data like fingerprints and iris scans with a smartphone or computer app.

If you manage to evade detection and enter illegally, you should not be able to work. You should also know you will not be able to get to get a work visa, green card or citizenship later.

I disagree. What I wrote about above is protecting the border. You're talking about choosing who and under what circumstances we might have people here, either as a visitor, guest worker, refugee, permanent resident or citizen.

Last Friday, I crossed our northern border at Blaine WA. I'm not sure why, but as I was crossing I thought about the connection between the border security I encountered as I crossed, my work years earlier in the U.S. defense industry and far more significant the military service of many relatives and friends.

If it became our objective to help people, we will have difficulty if our country is overrun by climate, political and economic refugees. The two million today could become ten million in a heartbeat.

 

Leave fentanyl out of it? 100,000 dead and counting doesn't count? Fentanyl STAYS IN.

National ID? MORE "Big Brother"??? I live in Texas and Biden and the boys are already doing everything to destroy the 2d amendment. They don't need MORE TOOLS to do it. If a visa runs out... GO GET 'EM! We're pretty good at catching lawbreakers... although not very good these days at KEEPING THEM. Employers are ALREADY supposed to check on work status... just ENFORCE CURRENT LAWS.

^5 on violators. I totally agree.

Yes, it is up to US... AMERICAN CITIZENS to set criteria for who can and cannot enter. NO ISIS. NO cartel members. No gang members. I always admired Australia's sytem. They award points for education, assets, experience, skills, age and more. You need enough points to enter Australia as an immigrant... or you don't get to do it. That assures that only folks that will make Australia BETTER... get to immigrate. What a wonderful system!

What has military service to do with foreign national immigration? My active duty ID served as a passport. Foreign nationals don't have those. So what is your point about the military?

I agree with you. We can be easily overrun... and we're on the way. What has GoreBull Warming have to do with illegal immigration?

 

I suggest that you read post #66 on this thread. It should clear up any confusion about my posts.

 

Unlike LUCKY 1... FAW KNOWS!

 

Check out Reagan and The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.

That should explain why the GOP is so reluctant

 

I don't want explanations. Explanations are useless. Solutions is the only thing that counts.

Bottom line is that if there had been "any" compromise between the parties in the last 30 years, the situation would not be as it is.

 

Right. And if my uncle had teats he might be my aunt... but he doesn't, so he isn't. The whole conversation is irrelevant.

 

OK, I read post 66.

It does not address my central point which is that your articles in the OP were about legal immigration, and what people oppose is illegal immigration. You are incorrectly conflating them as if they are the same thing.