The Truth about Immigration

Stupid comparison given that with the uncle/aunt thing we are talking about a physical impossibility.

It is true that blaming anyone is not going to change the situation but the reality is that the parties can "presently" get together and come up with a compromise solution right now and solve some of the problems. As such, mentioning it is NOT irrelevant.

 

Wrong! simply because addressing how we deal with "illegal immigration" makes a difference. If we deal with it like a bully would, our country loses status and trust around the world. It needs to be treated with some degree of humanity given that the people trying to come here (legally or illegally) are coming here for the same reasons.................running away from horrible conditions in their nations. Illegal immigrants try to come in illegally because they don't feel (or think) that they qualify for asylum status. Either way, all immigrants need to be treated with humanity. That is what the U.S. has represented for 245 years and there is no reason to change that.

The articles that I put up on the OP are not just about legal immigrants. They address all immigrants that have come to the U.S. over the last 50 years and the contributions that they have given. Illegal aliens have also contributed to the successes that legal immigrants have brought.

I do know that we should continue to oppose illegal immigration but that doesn't stop the fat that illegal immigration is not yet the kind of a problem that supports the overwhelming negativity of the Republicans...............especially since the Republicans can contribute to a solution but are not willing to do it. It is "their way or the highway". That doesn't work in a Democracy.

 

When you talk about the need for immigration such as with your articles, that does not mean that therefore you need illegal immigration. You are falsely conflating them as if they are the same thing.

Try as you may, but your articles in no way serve as an argument against those wanting to stop illegal immigration. They are wholly separate issues.

 

No sillier than your broad brush description of 30 years of American history.

 

No, that is not what I am doing nor am I giving that impression. Evidently, you are reading it using your own interpretation views.

 

Are you making any distinction between illegal migration and legal migration? Because, IMO, Congress MUST act on illegal migration and legal migration laws must be followed.

 

You are not debating as a debater would. You are debating as a biased person making judgement does.

Not interested in having any further discussions with you. Some people (you, for example) are not interested in a debate or in finding the truth. You are just interested in stating your views as fact and the hell with everything else.

No person can ever win a debate when debating in a fantasy world that the opponent lives in,.

Good bye AARguy. I hope that you have luck in life. With your way of doing things, you will need luck to succeed.

 

Do yourself a favor and read all the posts I have put on this thread. The answer to your question is found there.

 

Fine then let them come through legal channels so we can screen out the thugs, gangsters, human traffickers and drug mules. The solution is to expand our visa system and expedite legal entry, not to just pull a Biden "y'all come on up". Not likely job vacancies in medicine, STEM or other skills are going to get filled however.

 

Nonsense.

You provided 3 articles that speak to the necessity of immigration, and then you followed that by simply saying "So with all this data in mind, tell me why you want to stop immigration"

Since nobody is proposing that we stop illegal immigration, by following your posting of those 3 articles and then asking why people want to stop immigration, you are ABSOLUTELY conflating illegal and legal immigration as being the same thing. Nobody is trying to stop all immigration. They only want to stop ILLEGAL immigration.

 

And it's exploding - 100,000 deaths last year; TEN TIMES the number of gun murders.

So, let's work on the system rather than just opening the gate and waving them its

 

YAY! He's GONE!!!!

 

Well that's an odd claim concidering the last line in your post I quoted

Clearly history and facts are something you neglect in your dissertation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Odd! I too interpreted it the same way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Dude about the only thing I've ever done on a construction site with a shovel is clear a few rocks out of a trench line and that was fifty of years ago.

 

I have visited the border on many occasions. One of my favorite places to go is Nuevo Loredo because of the Food and Shopping.

Second, depending on where the alien is from, there are rules in which the baby may not be a US Citizen if born here. Even if the child born here does become a US Citizen, it will not help the illegal immigrant. Under the rules, a EWI cannot adjust their status unless it is TPS, Temporary Protective Status, the same status before TPS was granted is still the same unitl the TPS runs out.

The regulations today are based on 1950s migration data. The laws need to be updated. The EAGLE ACT is one way with EB worker visas and to help get rid of the backlog from certain countries. But that is the legal side. For the illegal side, the Blue Card would be most appropriate and would help ease the flow of illegal aliens for migration farm work. For illegal aliens who have been here and live in the US for 5 years or more, I would allow a one-time adjustment to the green card but bar them from US Citizenship. That is the price they would have to pay to become legal. There would be certain criteria such as paying taxes, no felonies, biometrics, and a few others. But it is one alternative. At the same time, the US government should help develop the home countries' economies better and not rely on the "good graces" of MNC. This would improve their economy, create jobs, create hope, etc, which will reduce illegal immigration. Our benefit is it will create jobs here and increase trade between our two respective countries. That solves most of the root causes of illegal immigration.

BTW, I have 30 years of volunteer experience with Catholic Charities on immigration. In addition, I have brought my wife over from her home country and gone through with her the immigration process on a K1 visa.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec.../illegal-immigrants-anchor-babies-birthright/

 

In those days, you showed up, pledged your alliance to Mexico to the Empresario, aka Stephen F Austin, and you were given your plot of land. Hopefully, the Commanches or other Indians didn't bother you and you didn't them. And you were told where their "hunting grounds" were. That was from 1824 to 1845. After 1845, all you had to do was show up and usually, someone else paid for the trip unless you were from Arkansas or Tennessee and you arrived by horse, foot, or wagon. From 1845 to 1873 it was the same except Texas was a state now for the US or the Confederacy. 1873 changed all that when the US government started to decide who should come and who shouldn't.

 

I do not gamble at Casinos. However, that money does not go to the "tribe" at all. It goes to the corporation which operates the Casino and which may or may not be owned by Native Americans. But its a myth that casino profits go to the Native Americans. What Native American Tribes do get is from the hunting and fishing rights of their land, especially the Northwest areas, Arizona, Oklahoma, and a few other places.

 

It costs about $1200 to start and another $2500 for expedited processing, along with all the other paperwork the company has to fill out. That is why they hire day laborers for the jobs that they need doing and anyone with a strong back will do.

 

And . . . ?

 

I have. There's the EAGLE ACt, there is the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, and there are other countless other ways as well. But the GOP does not want to do that because it will give a "win" to the Democrats.

 

Yeah, I'm sure that's the ONLY problem with it.

 

Like many- you fail to understand the issue. America has always been a prime choice of people to immigrate too, and one most open to immigration.
What matters is the kind of people we allow in. We can expand our society with honest, hardworking people who will be good citizens- or people of substantially less value, degrading the quality of American life for everyone.

The only way to do that is through a process- long established, of vetting immigrants, checking for the criminals, the undesirable elements. Starts with respect for law. Are people that sneak in your back window in the dark of night welcomed guests in your house? Or do you expect "guests" to knock on the door, and wait to be invited in? That's the key difference here. Every illegal immigrant has come in the back window and broken our laws in the process.

All Americans have a duty to country- to maintain it's quality, it's standards, it's order and justice. Teddy Roosevelt once made a speech that describes it well:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American …. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag …. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

People don't want to stop immigration. They want to stop ILLEGAL immigration- and the human trafficking and drug smuggling that goes along with it.
Why would any rational person fail to understand the difference?

 

If employers are not willing to forgo the cost, the wait time to get approved, with a finite set of quotas to be given, then they will do what's easiest and hire off the street for menial jobs that they need filled that day.

 

But at least I helped trying to improve the legal system. The better question is what did you do? Complain constantly on an internet forum