The Truth about Immigration

Really? Then why have a bill supported by President Trump that would do just that, cut the legal immigration quota of green cards from 1 million per anum to 500k and increase the legal requirements, even for spouses of US citizens?

 

I did not pose the question the way I should have. The right question is "show me a nation that has stopped illegal immigration withouta generating more negatives than positives to the nation".

You can certainly stop illegal immigration if you make it totally a negative to go there (much like Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela have done). Nonetheless what they have done has also made things worse for their own people.

 

The subject is stopping ILLEGAL immigration.
The quotas for LEGAL immigration is a totally different issue.
Apples and space shuttles.

 

Please explain how secure borders "generates negatives". Please.

We're not talking about eliminating LEGAL immigration. Just ILLEGAL immigration.

 

I apologize for saying this but "are you using your brain?" Securing borders of a location that is a prime area for immigrants requires doing things inhumanely to stop people from wanting to come here. When there is a need and a want, people will always find ways to overcome the obstacles unless some unimaginable and cruel thing is done to stop them from wanting to come here.

 

Historically, you can say the same thing about US citizens if they had to send their kids to private school or had to home school them instead of public education. That would be about 70% of the US population by my estimates.

And yet, if you want to see entrepreneurship, the chances are far greater that immigrants are the ones who are starting new businesses or becoming independent contractors instead of US citizens.

As for health care, that was already required for any US person, including immigrants. It was called the individual mandate until the GOP removed it. What Trump did was sign an executive order for all new green card holders and other immigrants coming into the country to obtain health insurance as a requirement for a visa/green card, etc and insurance that cannot be subsidized. They also tried to replace the ACA with their own version but that would have caused great harm to those with pre-existing conditions and/or disabled persons who are not eligible for Medicare.

 

Hungary does it quite well without any "inhumanity". So does Japan. So do many other countries. .. without any cruelty at all.

 

Illicit drugs laced with fake fentanyl is a drug problem that we have had, in one form or another, since the 1960s.

But unless you actually experienced or been through legal immigration, which includes asylee and refugees BTW, you will never understand the process, much less know what it is like to go through it. The immigration system is more complex than the Tax Code and it has a lot of pitfalls, backlogs, high filing fees, etc.

For asylum and refugee cases, the current definition is based on Cold War mentality and has not changed with the migration attitudes and circumstances that surround what they are going through. A lot of this is because we take for granted the countries South of the Border while doing absolutely nothing to help them or assist them with their issues that affect us. That is why. And yes, most do show up if they are given the proper instructions and not lied to like the Trump Administration did.

 

Securing borders requires making things bad for those wanting to come here. How do you accomplish that? By being inhumane in some way, meaning the benefits of coming here are less than the consequences. It means that the country doing that is seen negatively by others as being inhumane. It also makes the people within the country lose faith in the country given that they feel that the country will do "anything they want" without morals, ethics, principles, and humanity. You do understand that in the U.S. most citizens have some connection (mothers, fathers, family, friends, etc) to others that are from other countries, meaning that what we do to the illegals could be done to them.

I am addressing and answering this question of yours because of courtesy but I don't like to deal with people who do not use their brains to think. As such, you are no longer someone that I will respond to unless you have something intelligent to say.

 

I addressed this exact thing (Japan and Hungary) in another post on this thread. Find it and it will answer your question.

 

Actually yes. Who do you think are going to work in the construction industry, bus the tables, work on the farms, do odd jobs, mow the lawns, etc? They are "low-level" job skills, but they are skills we need because Americans, especially white, caucasian, and conservative Americans, are just too damn lazy and think it is beneath their status to do so. Why do you think Trump golf courses hired illegals to begin with and still do to this day?

 

As General S Patton said, "defensive fortifications are a monument to man's stupidity." A continuous wall from one end of the border to the other will never work and has not worked in any of the history. Take the Great Wall of China for instance. It was breached numerous times by "barbaric tribes" from the Han Dynasty to the Qinq Dynasty. Hadrian's Wall was also breached a lot and most of the soldiers who went out on patrol and were attacked were behind the wall, not in front of it. Even in NK you have population escape to China despite the border being heavily guarded on both sides of the river.

If you really want to stop the flow of illegal immigration, then stop the root cause of them coming here to begin with. Or destroy our economy and give them no reason to come here. Your choice.

 

It's not 30 million. It is more like 10 to 12 million.

The 30 million comes from NumbersUSA, CIS, FAIRUS, from data that is not solid in its analysis.

 

Fentanyl was NEVER a problem with 100,000 dead Americans. Nor as it packaged to look like candy to kill kids. Nope. That's NEW since Biden opened the border wide.

Legal immigration should have some level of difficulty. That's called "protecting our borders".

We are supposed to save the world? Gees... we don't even pay our college loans anymore.

 

They could have guest worker programs.

 

We can secure our borders without being inhumane. The Rotary Club makes membership difficult without being inhumane. So does the Lion's Club. So does the military and Harvard. You think screening members of various groups for membership is inherently "inhumane"? Wow.

 

Not much of an answer... no wonder you don't want to discuss it.

 

So you haven't been around a construction site in decades have You?

 

The better question is, what jobs do you think they are taking? Taxi Cab drivers? Uber Drivers? Accountants at PriceWaterhouseCoopers? Engineers at a major construction firm?

They take the jobs that no one wants. At the restaurants, it is busing tables or line cooks. In the link below, the profile of unauthorized population, illegal immigration, is interesting. About 46% are female. it is almost evenly spread on the length of time living in the US with about 21% here living in the US less than 5 years and 22% of 20 years or more. About 30% are not in the workforce, which can include children and spouses of US citizens or LPRs. The actual number of illegals is not the most important factor, but if you look at the demographics from education to level of English to job demographics, it is quite interesting and it disproves your point.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US

 

It really wasn't about illegal immgration. It was about "big business" taking over the farming and driving local farmers out of the market. That's it with a click bait title.

 

Actually, electing a government that will secure the border is also a solution.

And you promised to shut up if we showed you one country that solved its illegal immigrant problem. We did and yet you continue to blather on.

Any comment about the fact that diversity creates a low trust society? Illegal immigration will cause our society to disintegrate and that will result in an authoritarian government much more surely than almost anything else.

 

I have been around. There are different types of jobs in the construction industry, but at the end of the day, you need people with a "shovel" to do the mundane work before specialists, like electricians and carpenters come in and do their thing.

 

It's a solution to a symptom, not the root cause.

 

Hungary again. Keeping one's society intact is an imperative.

 

Well, I can give you Plano, Texas which has a high percentage of immigrants living there. Plano is not what you call Ghetto area with one of the richest zipcodes in the country.