The Truth about Immigration

No one (and I do mean NO ONE) is pushing for illegal immigration to occur. It is a problem world-wide and there is little that can be done to stop it. The possible solutions to even try to make it less far outweigh the negatives. That is a known fact.

 

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Immigrant labor decimates family owned farms in New Zealand

 

I refuse to even read about "negative" individual instances given that since nothing in life is perfect, individual instance of any positive or negative can always be found.

The "overall" (totality) of positives and negatives is what counts. Just like with a marriage (for good or bad), the idea is to marry someone with more good than bad. Some good and some bad is a fact of life with anyone and anything.

 

The Left rails against and complains about big corporations that pay low wages, but the truth is that immigration has fueled these corporations.
These corporations would not have been able to grow and displace small family owned businesses if it were not for a ready availability of low cost labor.

Of course the Left has never really been one to care about small business. Probably why they never spoke up and this wasn't a big problem for them.

 

How exactly is ignoring the southern border attempting to stop illegal immigration? The pathway to stopping illegal immigration is to strengthen southern border security FIRST. and TuHEN implementing a secure way to verify immigrations BEFORE they present themselves at border crossings. AND we need to strengthen asylum system to ensure DESERVING individuals are processed expeditiously.

 

Hahahahaha, you seem to be running out of ammunition and have to reach for the extremes to make your point. It is hilarious.

 

It's very true, but many on the Left are in complete denial.

Anyway, I know how you people work. You will just continue to deny and obfuscate, until what you want fully and irreversibly comes to fruition. Then at that point you will just say "So what?" and not see a problem with any of it.

Many on the Left have this idea that if America is no longer a white country, suddenly it will be much easier to have socialism. (Of course ignoring how things have turned out in Latin America)

 

You EXCEPT for entering the country illegally. Point being even if they commit FEWER crimes than Americans, they're STILL additional crimes.

Google is a left wing liar.

 

So why are you blaming immigrants and not employers?

 

Since you started with a load of LW cliches and nonsensical "yet, but" mantras you really don't have much room to talk.

 

To begin with, you have no idea of what you are saying given that I am not a leftists. I am an independent. On top of that, I was a Republican for 35 years..........until they turned into what they are.

So if you are accusing me of denying and obfuscating because you think I am a leftist, it means you are misinformed and and showing exactly who is denying and obfuscating...........YOU!

By the way, I read, I study, and I evaluate information because that is what I do and have done for 47 years. It is my job as a stock market analyst and have been consistently successful at it, meaning that it has been proven that I don't deny or obfuscate because if I did that, I would be broke and without an income............and it is the exact opposite.

I can prove my success with data and facts. All you use are words. Words are cheap as even a 3-year old child can use them without having no proof behind them.

Continue to be blind-by-choice. It is not me that will prove you wrong, but Mother Nature. She has a way to tear down fantasy worlds that is infallible.

 

In other words, you are in a group that benefits from immigration. All that cheap labor pushes stock prices up.
And neighborhoods going bad leads to the construction of new homes, as the middle class flees to the suburbs. Pushing up the stock price of construction development companies.

Any simple Marxian analysis will tell you that if you increase the supply of labor it will tip the balance further in favor of capital.

I say how about we put a special extra tax on stocks? To pay for the healthcare of immigrants and schooling for their children. How would you feel about immigration then?

 

He would probably still feel the same since immigrants aren't the ones enacting the tax, people like you are doing that.

 

Would he feel differently if he knew people in his group had to directly pay the costs? If he knew more immigrants meant higher taxes and less stock market profits, would he still be in favor of more of it?

 

Again, the IMMIGRANTS aren't doing it, people like you are.

 

You act like a constant growing population is a good thing. Tell me why this pyramid population scheme is a good thing. When would you support the population falling? 1/2 billion, 1 billion, 5 billion, 10 billion? Most people do not know this but one of the greatest effects of the Black Plague was the enrichment of the poorest Europeans. The black plague created such a massive labor shortage that their income went up drastically.


America is now a low trust society. It took my entire life for it to switch from high trust (75%) to low trust (25%). One of the greatest predictors of civilizational collapse is low trust. We have a mass of people who do not share the same values or culture. The culture war we are in is going to get horrifically worse. This is a death spiral with no possibility of exit. The only question is will it take 10 years until dissolution or 100 years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/07/22/the-state-of-personal-trust/

 

Few people want to stop immigration. Lots of people want to stop ILLEGAL immigration.

 

But the money does have to come from somewhere.

 

An indicator of a "high trust" area is when you can leave your door unlocked. When you can send your 6 year old daughter off to walk to school alone, and you don't worry about someone making her disappear. When you don't worry about parking your car because someone might break in or steal the car. When if you lose your wallet, you know the chances are pretty high someone will return the wallet with all the money still in it.

Now, the question has to be asked, how many "diverse" areas with lots of immigrants are like this? I think we all know the answer, if we're willing to be truthful with ourselves...

A lot of other countries are very corrupt. Is that corruption ultimately going to filter into our society? maybe even up into business leadership positions and government?

I'm sure the majority of these people are not corrupt, but like the saying goes, "It only takes a few bad apples to spoil the barrel"

 

Sounds like progressives have created a broken society...and are using immigration to mask a deeper problem regarding the kind of people our society ends up creating.

Lol

 

And another irony is most of the parts of the world they say they want to emulate are places with very low diversity, much lower than the U.S.

 

the slaves were not replaced by a "competitive free market," but by convict contract labor and various forms of share cropping semi feudalism. it was not the cheap labor that northern capitalists fought, but the unnecessary expense of actually owning (buying and maintaining) slaves.

 

As of now we have a worker shortage, so there is that......

I don't know how things are where you live, but down here, the 2nd generation immigrants get educated, speak perfect English and hold all kinds of jobs including doctors, lawyers, cops, computer programmers, etc

 

Sounds like we've created a progressive society of lazy entitled *******s who refuse to procreate and opt to live in bacherlor apartments while collecting cats.

good job!

 

Sorry to hear you live in progressive society of lazy entitled *******s, which you created. Maybe you should have created something else. I have lived in 5 States, and none of them are what you describe.