The West fears Russia is about to attack Ukraine. But that's not the way Russians are seeing it on T

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  1. Thedimon

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    In Ukraine nazis are condemned too, but you don’t seem to be interested in truth.
     
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    Wrong.
    USSR missed the first blow because it didn’t have time to develop border infrastructure with fortifications in newly-annexed western Ukraine and western Belarus. USSR was the victim of its own greed for their neighbors lands.
     
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    I’m probably wasting my breath here, but just in case you have your own curiosity over how this is handled outside of Russia:
    In the US (and Ukraine too), displaying swastika is not a crime in and of itself. I can easily take a nazi flag and walk around outside and cops won’t do anything about it because of freedom of speech (Before someone starts taking words out of context - I have no desire to use these symbols because I do not want to support and associate with such groups). The absence of such law (prohibition of the use of these symbols) doesn’t mean all citizens are walking around with nazi symbols all over them and it does not imply American support for such ideology. Same thing with some Ukrainian protests on those pictures that Russian trolls like to flash around - yes, there are marginal groups of neo-nazis out there, just like in all other countries (including Russia and the US), and just like in all other countries, these people sometimes peacefully assemble (and whether you like it or not, as long as they are peaceful they have the absolute right to meet and organize). These small groups do not represent the ideology of majority of the people who live in the US, Ukraine, or Russia. Using those groups in Ukraine is just a trolling tactic, red herring, that is designed to district from the subject at hand.
     
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    No. The Red Army officer corps had been debilitated by purges and political intrigue.
     
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    this is a stupid idea.
    It was also. Stalin did not have time to start reorganizing the army. He knew that war was inevitable, and by various means and agreements he went out to gain time in order to prepare himself for an offensive to the west.
    The early USSR was not the most peaceful state. Stalin dreamed of a "world revolution" and socialism throughout the world. There were plans to break Germany and move further west - taking all of Europe. World War II convinced him that this was a bad path. That strength is not enough. After the war (and devastation), the Soviet Union was forced to change the vector of development.
    Since then, the "West" is afraid of the Communists, afraid of the Russians, does not understand that for us this is a passed stage. Russia is not striving for world domination, but it does not want to be in the backyard either.
    I am not a historian and did not talk with the ghost of Stalin - this is my opinion.
     
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    No it’s not. I distinctly remember this explanation from my schools history books that were printed during the times of the USSR. They were not afraid to list the lack of border infrastructure as one of the major reasons why the soviet army was so unprepared. To avoid calling partition of Poland as the start of WWII, they explained USSRs presence in former eastern Poland as liberation of Ukraine and Belarus.
     
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    Passed stage? What, 20 or 30 million dead and it's a passed stage?
    Stage to what?

    Japan didn't 'pass the stage' when it rose from nothing to taking on Russia, China and America.
    South Korea and Taiwan didn't build any gulags to get where they are today.
    Stage to what?
     
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    The number of victims of the war helped to understand that it is not worth fighting for an ideology. The military imperialism of Japan was stopped by atomic bombs - now this is also a stage passed for Japan. Vietnam and Iraq almost became such a stage for the United States .... now they prefer to eat proxy for their ideology ... I refrain from judgments and judgments. (wow, the English words are the same, but the Russian meaning is different) :)
     
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    This doesn't make sense.
     
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