"They wont take your guns" Yea right. Confiscation starts Buffalo, NY

the people of NY are clearly happy with the law that has been in place for more than 50 years.

 

Not necessarily. I WAS one of those people for many years, and I was NOT happy with the laws. The requirements just to acquire a handgun to possess ONLY at your residence are ridiculous, and the costs involved are more than the handgun, unless you're planning to buy something exotic. Not only that, but I've been told by people "in the know" that ALL first applications are rejected, regardless of cause, in an effort to make it more expensive and painful, so that only the very serious will put in a second application. As for a carry permit, fugghetaboudit. Unless you are personally politically connected, it simply isn't going to happen.

 

Using this logic, police should be able to stop you when you are walking down the street, detain you, search you, and check for warrants for no apparent reason.

how the (*)(*)(*)(*) are they supposed to know who you are?
how the (*)(*)(*)(*) they supposed to know you aren't a fugitive from the law...or broke out of prison?
If your willing to give up the 2nd amendment, then why not the 4th?

 

who said I "gave up" the 2nd Amendment?

a handgun permit simply says that you have undergone a thorough background check to make sure you are safe to possess a handgun.

its simple common sense.

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if you were a REAL New Yorker you would know that most counties in New York State are for all intense and purposes, "Shall-Issue".

 

Not when that "background check" (which is standard procedure for every FFL in the country when selling a weapon) costs more than the weapon itself and is routinely denied to first time applicants to make it that much more difficult and expensive to acquire.

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And if they were for all "intents" and purposes, "shall-issue", then they would be "shall-issue". But they're not.

 

i know several people with handgun permits.

they live in NYC. they got their handgun permits after first attempt.

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they are Shall Issue, as they pretty much issue CCWs to anyone without a criminal record who requests one.

 

And I was told by not just one or two, but a complete handful of NYPD friends of mine that unless you are politically connected, "important" (e.g., celebrity, etc.), or politically important on your own, that ALL first time applicants are denied. Given how many times I saw it happen with my own eyes, I tend to believe it. For myself, I never applied, as I found the costs associated with it egregious, as previously stated, the INITIAL application fee for a "home only" handgun costs more than most reasonable handguns. And that's assuming you get approved on your first attempt, which you won't.

Not in NYC. Unless you know someone or work for the "right" security company, you'll NEVER get a CCW. Which is, of course, not only a violation of the 2nd Amendment, but is Unconstitutional even if the 2nd didn't exist.

 

Do you think that UBC's can be conducted without registration?
Without registration, there is no way to enforce UBC's.
I have an unregistered gun, you want to buy it. How are we forced to perform the UBC upon transfer?
The answer is that it us unenforceable unless the gun is registered much like a car.
Registration is the avenue the govt needs to confiscate. Just look at states like New York and California. That my friend, is how the 2nd amendment is infringed.

 

My handgun permit is the 2nd amendment.
I'm not trading that in, for some bureaucratic pinhead to decide my fate, and then use that record to revoke it if they so decide.

 

it can be done by the honor system.

no honest American would sell a gun without doing a background check first.

i almost sold a gun to a co-worker, who turns out is NOT allowed to own guns.

why? he was kicked out of the Navy for threatening a superior officer with a loaded handgun.

 

Happened to innocent people in Katerina. Some still haven't received their guns back. Police are saying they lost them.

 

So in other words, you want to pass a piece of useless legislation that will do nothing to keep guns out of criminal hands. Great.
Maybe you have heard that criminals don't obey laws. They are still clear to make straw purchases.
Hey! All you criminals out there....... you are on the honor system.

 

criminals will still try to buy guns.

but Patriotic Americans who care about the safety of their relatives, friends, and neighbors, will do a background check before selling a gun.

I did.

 

No, like the nuts who seem to be eager for somebody to try to take their gun so they can shoot (murder) them.

 

I do to, but I don't need a law to tell me to be careful who I sell a gun to. I sell only to people I know or someone with a CHL as proof of background check. I would consider selling to a friend of a friend. No registration needed here.

 

so you are now defining what a "patriot" is..................projecting much?

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I suspect that one of these guys thinks everyone but him is a criminal...maybe two...

 

a patriot cares about the safety of his friends, relatives, neighbors, etc..

a patriot doesn't just sell a gun to some stranger without making sure he ain't wanted for murder or child molestation,

 

that sure as hell doesn't make you a patriot

 

a Patriot doesn't sell a gun to a stranger without first making sure he ain't wanted for murder, child molestation, rape, etc etc..

only a selfish prick does that.

 

so, yes, you are defining what a patriot is...... this is your stance: "I have to so you have to." A patriot would be saying, "the State has no business in what you own."
As long as you don't commit a crime with a gun..........what's the issue?

 

we should all make sure we aren't selling a gun to a criminal or someone wanted for murder, rape, child molestation, right?

 

prior to 1968, anyone, even little kids, could buy guns in the mail, homeboy. There was LESS gun violence (by a large margin).

 

I've sold dozens of guns to people whome I didn't know (and of whom I did not ask for ID), and bought as many the same way. Not one gun in 100 is ever used in any sort of a crime.

 

sorry, but I'm not willing to take such a risk.

the last thing I need on my conscience is finding out I sold a gun to a fugitive from the law who ends up killing a cop or some pregnant woman.

 

nobody is making you do so. But you aint making us NOT do so, either. We wont allow it.