Transgender UPenn smashes TWO US women's records in weekend competition and finishes one race 38 sec

This is a sport where people train hard just to shave fractions of a second off their time. If you were a woman and knew you were swimming against this guy next month how hard do you have to train to shave off 38 seconds?

To be honest with you, if I was a swimmer going against that guy I’d sit out that race. And if I coached a women’s swim team I would not allow my gals to swim against that guy.

 

Whatever you need to tell yourself to fall asleep at night. The reality is if you really wanted to not use a slur, you could acknowledge she's a woman and simply say that she has some sort of advantages. But I know you won't because unfortunately it's the bigotry driving your opinion. How do I know that? Because you're literally replying to my post about the IOC saying there is no advantage. The IOC has been studying this issue for years and they've determined there isn't a justified reason to discriminate.

 

Has nothing to do with my ability to sleep. It’s the truth. Objective reality isn’t dependent on someones perspective of themselves. A trans woman is a man with all the innate advantages. Pointing out this man is a man is not a slut and not at all driven by bigotry but instead is driven by objective reality. Your hyper emotional state doesn’t make me wrong.

 

Most of the women voted for this crap. Now they get to see that putting Leftists in power hurts them specifically.

Scholarships... lost. Championships... lost. Endorsements... lost. Resume... weaker.

Keep supporting Democrats and keep getting screwed over. That's how it goes ladies and women that vote Democrat.

 

And yet people much smarter than the average poster here have disagreed with you because their own scientific studies did not find such results. Did you even realize that trans women have lost sporting events? They have failed to qualify for events? Or did you somehow assume that 'men need to protect women because such and such' means discriminating against trans-women?

 

There are no scientific studies that show a man who says he is a women is actually a woman. That is objectively false.

The "social sciences" aren't even real sciences lol.

The objective fact is you can claim to be whatever you want to be, you can identify as whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.

A man who says he is a woman is in fact a man.

And regardless if a woman managed to be so much better than a man she beats him in sport, doesn't remove the objective reality that the man was given a significant innate advantage and just happen to lose anyways due to lack of skill. The bell curve still exists and is a thing regardless of the anecdotes lol.

 

Absolutely lol.

They voted for this, they wanted it now they can reap what they sow.

That being said, its still nonsensical to allow a man to participate in womens sports.

 

Actually there have been lots of studies to suggest that trans people are in fact telling the truth that they are the gender they profess to be. For example,
"
The male and female brain have structural differences,” he says. Men and women tend to have different volumes in certain areas of the brain.

“When we look at the transgender brain, we see that the brain resembles the gender that the person identifies as,” Dr. Altinay says. For example, a person who is born with a penis but ends up identifying as a female often actually has some of the structural characteristics of a “female” brain."
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

Now as the social sciences? Meh. It's already a given they struggle to explain anything. But then again... if they struggle to explain anything they struggle for you too. Do you really want to have your favorite political positions be declared invalid because you can't prove they work? If that's the case all you will ever do on PF is flounder your emotions about. Such emotivism is weak and a horrible position to adopt in politics.

And the last one? We're talking about olympic and professional athletes here. No such dice for you.

 

False, there have been zero studies that demonstrate a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman.

No rational person believes that, and certainly no actual scientists.

We are talking about sports in general, including olympics. Men are given an innate advantage over women regardless of how they choose to lie to them selves and identify as.

A trans woman is a man and has innate advantages over women. This is just simple biology that wont change just because of peoples hyper emotional attachment to self perceptions.

And social sciences aren't real science.

 

"Kreukels’ group can test some of the differences seen on average between men and women. For instance, some studies have found that men and women use different parts of their brains to rotate objects in their minds. When Kreukels’ group scanned the brains of a group of 21 transgender boys who had recently begun testosterone treatment, they found that their brains look more like those of cisgender boys2."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01237-z

And once again-you can't prove any of your political claims then.

 

Again you can't demonstrate any studies that prove a man who says he is a woman is actually a woman. They dont exist.

You can latch on to your attachments to self perception but self perception has no bearing on reality.

A transwoman is in fact a man and has innate advantages over women. This has been proven through science over thousands of years. Any casual observer can see this as well due to how widespread and massive the gap is in our physical capabilities. The bell curve exists, if you refuse to do the research or even use your eyes that is not my fault.

 

The only thing I can think of what you're referring to is that a person's gender is in their chromosomes which is a bad argument because no serious scientist would even consider that argument. Because it's really awful to think that a person's genetics determines who a person is. No serious scientist would ever deny social influences on a person's life.

 

Then you aren’t paying any attention to my argument which isn’t surprising. Nothing I have said is reasonably debatable. A trans woman is a man. This is objective fact. This man has an innate advantage over women in sports.

people can perceive themselves however they want. They can act however they want. They can drsss however they want. But objective reality remains the same.

no science disproves this, and there is thousands of years of history backing it.

 

Good grief, that's the FIRST thing that determines who a person is.

Whether you think it's awful or not is irrelevant.

 

I don't agree with this. No one has the same exact ideals as another person. When voting you vote for the person that most closely matches your ideals as you will never find someone with exact matching ideals. When I voted for Trump I voted for his policies. Specifically illegal immigration and SCOTUS. I did NOT vote for his attitude.

You all vote the same way everyone else does. And as much as AJ and I disagree I have to support him in this particular instance. Voting Democrat does not mean you vote for ALL Democrat ideals. Just as voting Republican does not mean you vote for ALL Republican ideals. How else do you think True Independent's vote? They belong to neither party, usually because their ideals coincide with a mixture of the two parties and other parties. But they disagree with other ideals from all those parties also.

 

To simplify your argument, if they transplanted a woman’s brain into a man’s body, that person now has a man’s body and should not compete against women.

 

You are just saying your position over and over again without elaborating on it. You don't have an argument, you just have an emotive response as the basis for your posting.

And? How does that touch what I am saying? A person may be genetically predisposed to have awful eyesight but it can be corrected with glasses or surgery. Can the person see? It seems silly to say that this person will never see. Same rules for trans people.

 

I have elaborated on it thoroughly. A trans woman is a man this is objectively true. A man who identifies as a women will always have an innate advantage over women in sports.

you can emotionally lash out and disagree but the reality remains the same. A persons perspective of themselves doesn’t make it reality.

 

But they don't. I've actually establish this with my first post in the thread. There is no innate advantage. Even if there was, that's not sufficient justification to discriminate against trans people. This is according to the IOC. Now all I have been doing is establishing yes trans people are the gender they say they are.

 

What the actual F? So trans "females" no longer have to take hormone treatments to compete in female sports? At least before this they were trying to make things fair. Now they're not even trying to do that. They're straight up saying that biological males and biological females are exactly the same biologically. And that is just plain D FALSE. Not only does science show this but common sense shows it also.

 

They objectively do. You haven’t established what you think you have. There is no study or science that disproves the bell curve with men and women when it comes to attributes that most effect sports outcomes. Men have an innate advantage over women. Trans women are in fact men.

my our emotional attachment to self perception has resulted in you denying one of the most blatantly true facts of life. Hell, it’s so obvious a casual observer can see the advantages msm have over women in sports. Hell, you can look at the fastest times of each group and see the distinction lmao. It’s genuinely delusional to think there is no innate advantage.

 

I don't care if the IOC claims that the sky is blue. To claim that there is no difference between men and women physically is just asinine.

 

Or maybe it's hard to accept... because humans are terrible at changing their minds when presented with new information. People say "feelings don't matter"? Feelings are literally the first step of self-reflection and humility. Who are you to say the IOC is wrong? What qualifications do you have that this organization dedicated to ensuring fairness in the olympics does not have? Be humble and self reflect.

 

I know that transgenders brains coincide with the gender that they claim to be. But the brain =/= bone density, muscle density, height. The genes determine those things. Not the brain.

 

Because it's a moot issue. It's literally a moot issue. Which was my first post in this thread:

Answer this question what's 2+2?

You're saying:
"Men and women have different bodies".
To which I say:
"Trans women do not have the same bodies as cis people because of the effects of HRT".

To which you claim victory because you don't bother to respond to that point. Then once again, the IOC says otherwise. You don't have to like it but every step of the way