Transgender UPenn smashes TWO US women's records in weekend competition and finishes one race 38 sec

Which in turn is twofold.
1. Not all sports check for those. Being tall in some sports is a disadvantage, likewise can be an advantage in others. Do we say basketball discriminates against short people and we should have a separate short people league? No, because we recogonize it's a reasonable discrimination. It's reasonable for the sport to discriminate because there are other reasonable options. It doesn't exist for trans people, because there are no equivalent sports leagues for them to join.
2. It doesn't mean those are unfair competitive advantages. That's the standard. Even if they are advantages, the balls in your court to explain why they're unfair. IE if a cis woman had those same advantages why she shouldn't be allowed to compete.

 

I"m ME. I also have some basic understanding of biology and genetics. I also have thousands of years of history on my side. Reality on my side. If women were truly equal to men physically then they never would have been put into the position that they were in for thousands of years. The IOC is literally ignoring science here. Society literally has different physical tests for men and women in areas like the military, police work, firemen's work. And until this idiotic decision it was well known that women and men are different physically in sports also. With women being generally weaker than men. These are ALL facts. Not emotions.

 

Its not a moot issue at all.

I am pointing out the objectively reality that men have an innate advantage over women.

A transwoman is in fact a man with those innate advantages.

 

Oh you're a bot. That makes so much more sense now.

 

Or maybe, just maybe... you're wrong on all your beliefs. Your beliefs and expectations don't stack up to what the experts are saying. How did you verify your beliefs? How do you know you're right? What would it look like if you're wrong?

 

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Just because there is no league for trans people does not mean that its not reasonable to discriminate based on scientific reasons. Make your own league if you don't like it. Don't demand to join other leagues and if they refuse then call them transphobic etc etc.

 

I think you missed the point I'm making because you just made it for me.

 

Sorry, I'm going to believe actual science and reality. Not a sports committee. Science proves that there are physical differences between men and women.

 

I'm sure that you're hoping for that.

 

If the question was, "what would it look like if you're wrong", the answer is not "I'm going to believe actual science and reality". This is literally a scientific step. It's called creating an alternative explanation. You create what it should look like, then you break it down into what it doesn't look like.

My argument is that it's an unreasonable expectation for trans people to make their own sports league up because of the number of trans people who are competing. To say nothing of the discrimination such an action would entail (ie trans people are not the gender they say they are).
Your argument: Trans people just have to make their own sports league up! And somehow separate but equal will make them equal.

Kinda proving my claim.

 

Nope, just capable of recognizing objective reality over peoples feelings.

The objective reality is men have an innate advantage over women. Trans women are men. Allowing men to participate in womens sports is asinine and discriminatory towards actual women.

 

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

ROFL! As you tell yourself that a mentally ill man is a woman.... the hypocrisy in your argument is astonishing.

 

Yes, there will always be inherent disadvantages for those who are shorter, short arm reach, etc. However that doesn't mean we do away with all attempts to make sports as fair as possible. One of the easiest and most obvious ways to make sports closer to fair, is to have seperate divisions for men and women due to the fact that men have an inherent innate advantage and they are not small advantages either. They are massive.

 

It has nothing to do with me telling myself that, and just the fact its the objective reality.

Its a wild world we live in when people actually think men dont have an advantage over women in sports lol. There literally is nothing that exists that has more proof than this concept lmao.

And these same people actually think they are following the science lol.

 

Trans people don't have a mental illness. In fact when people use their chosen names and pronouns the risk of suicide and depression significantly go down.

 

It is a mental illness. Their suicide rate is massive compared to any other group, and other groups have suffered discrimination. So the "its because of discrimination" argument holds no weight.

 

Anyone that has a body that is biologically male or female and their mind tells them different has mental issues, not physical issues, unless YOU are a SCIENCE DENIER.

 

More like I just actually understand what science looks like. It's not hard once you realize there are alternative hypotheses you're supposed to test for as well.

 

I dont think you do though.

You refuse to acknowledge that men have an innate advantage over women. Science has never been more clear on anything lol.

 

Yeah? Really?
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You are denying basic biology. Claiming, "I just actually understand what science looks like"... is laughable. Literally a joke.

 

That is not how science works. Science does not come up with conclusions. They work towards conclusions. And since science has objectively already proven the issue there is no need to consider "what would it look like if you're wrong".

"Unreasonable"? It is unreasonable to make women compete in physical sports against a male because there are physical differences. So now where do we stand? Who's "unreasonableness" is more valid? Mine which is backed up by science? Or yours which is based on emotion and subjectivity?

This whole "separate but equal" bit only applies to concepts like Rights and Race. It does not, and cannot, apply to genetic differences that are tangibly different. If a man and woman are raised up exactly the same, with the exact same regimen of physical activity and training and food type/intake the end result will be that the man is stronger than a woman. That is just plain science.

Or to put it another way, a Chihuahua is a dog. A Pitt Bull is a dog. But there is no doubt that if the two got into a fight the Pitt Bull would break that Chihuahua's back like a twig.

 

So you have come up with your conclusion without demonstrating how they worked towards it. Meanwhile I have laid out the evidence to suggest an alternative explanation is at play. The IOC has ruled against 'objectively already proven' science. If it's so settled then they wouldn't have reconsidered. If anything they would have gone with their 2015 ruling which stated a trans athlete had to have been on HRT for 2(?) years prior to any competition. Clearly there's something wrong with your 'science' if they're ruling against it. Probably means you have to be humble and admit epistemtic defeat. Notice you haven't proven anything. You just take it as accepted fact your 'position' is right. But you haven't developed it.

If you're right, trans people should always win. If I'm right, trans people should both win and lose. I can explain losing. Can you? I've actually established the science on the subject. There isn't any evidence to suggest trans people have an unfair advantage. You have to prove there is an unfair advantage.

Title IX would disagree with that sentiment.

 

And I posted further to it and added my comments if you have something to say about it then say it else don't waste forum space.