Trump Happens, So Now We Must Deal With It

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  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Something like .0045% of Americans are neo Nazis. We have billions times more of the BLM bigots storming the streets.

    What a horrible point you tried to make.
     
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    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=de+niro+on+trump&t=ffab&iai=-Q-ZyW9bz5c&ia=videos

    Yes, he has won so I thought I post a reminder about how Trump was judged, just a short while ago. In fact, just yesterday, when Donald J. Trump was ONLY a nominee for President of the United States. A bozo from Hollywoodland, a foulmouth p***y grabber. A nobody who was supposed to go nowhere but being a major loser in a presidential election.

    Just yesterday Trump was only rhetoric and the subject of rhetoric and ridicule. Subject of quickly deleted tweets after his loss.

    But the bozo has made it, without doing his homework. Will De Niro now have to go into hiding for threatening to punch President Trump? Will I be hunted down by Trumps secret police for calling him, on this forum, a fascist, racist, white racist supremist, gorilla, lizard, Nazi, sexual predator, gorilla, women-molester, loon, criminal, idiot, gangster, paranoid schizophrenic and just plain nuts?

    How quickly we forget WHAT Trump was judged to be before the election and what HE STILL WILL BE once in the White House; A bozo from hollywoodland, a foulmouth p***ygrabber, (yes, also in the oval office) a nobody who was going to be fired by the American electorate trough a landslide loss.

    So let De Niro's words serve as a reminder about who Donald Trump really is, before we forget it tomorrow; blatantly stupid, a punk, a dog, a pig, (towards women, also in the oval office) a con, a bul(*)(*)(*)(*) artist who doesn't care one bit about the welbeing of the people who either supported or opposed him, tax-avoider, a national embarrassment and disaster. And, most of all, AN IDIOT who will surround himself with other idiots so he can drag the word into an abyss of idiocy. And his ''subjects'', the American voters who observed decent democratic election-rules, will suffer his betrayal and destruction of American democracy.

    At least, in 4 years time or earlier, when the ruins of Trump's empire and the world smolder, we can not say; 'wir haben es nicht gewusst!'
     
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    Did you hear about the house and the Senate and the whole bunch of supreme Court justices we " Alt righties " get to pick?
     
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    More predictions? Lol.why not, you guys are so good at it. Lol
     
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    You got that right, just think what we would be hearing today had lying Democrats won.
     
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    Sir, please, for god's sake. You already showed us a non credible brain, and yet there is no shame here? LOL

    You guys should have supported the other candidate for change, sanders, but didn't have the sense to do it, because of the disconnect from reality of what this cycle was about...change. I think it is time you questioned your own beliefs, and do something positive. You got trump because you supported Clinton over sanders, so do your mea culpa, and I will accept it. You screwed up. And you and other Hillary people insured we got trump.

    Voting for the corrupt treasonous status quo was your mistake as well as her other supporters. Just admit it and move on. You can blast trump once he takes office and does not keep his promises, or tries to keep them. Now, it just appears to be sour grapes.
     
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    Just heard on Cavuto that those baiting celebrities to leave now are "racists!"
     
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    Well, if he tries to keep the promises, that beat Clinton, he will have little problem winning again. Since you do not know if he will or not, this appears to be nothing more than sour grapes. But be made at yourself and other Hillary supporters. For they did not choose sanders who would have beat him.

    We can hardly give credence to anything said by a Hillary supporter. Seems like you guys would feel embarrassed by coming back and making these kind of posts. We do not expect 6th graders to explain quantum mechanics to us, so why would you think you folks have credibility after all of the Hillary predictions were shown to be so wrong? The least you guys can do is to wait until the guy is in office and is making decisions. You might get an ear then, instead of the chuckling.

    Why not talk about what this election will do to the democratic party? Or to the GOP? That would be worth talking about, speculating about, given both parties were voted against in this cycle when it comes to the presidential race.
     
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    I'm hopeful he will get the economy moving. I don't know what you're fear mongering about here. If you think we elected Hitler then you don't much understand American politics.
     
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    Yes, more Americans voted for Clinton, and I fully understand why they are upset and concerned for America, but Trump is the president elect, and that must be respected.

    The President is again setting the high-minded, magnanimous tone for the nation he was twice elected to lead:



    ……..
     
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    You are the only white person I know who reads this crap....are you a closet Arian?

    Cause its funny, that as a white person I never come across this stuff, but then again I dont go looking for it!
     
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    Yes deal with it......and know the left aint got nothin coming. [​IMG]

    That Trump got twice the Amount of Black voters than Romney did. Did better with Latinos to. Plus got a good chunk of Women to vote for him.


    Building the Wall, Shattering the Ceiling.....


    So there will be no "Madam President" issue of Time magazine, although whether they'll be magnanimous enough to make Trump "Man of the Year" remains to be seen. Hillary at her convention claimed to be "shattering the glass ceiling" for women, and booked her victory party at the Jacob Javits Center, which has an actual glass ceiling. But she wasn't shattering anything. She was never Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel. She wasn't Theresa May in Britain, or Julia Gillard in Oz, or Jenny Shipley and Helen Clark in NZ, or even Kim Campbell up north. She was the previous guy's wife, which is classic banana-republic stuff and ought to be cringe-makingly embarrassing to any genuine "progressive" or "feminist".

    But Trump really did shatter the glass ceiling. We're told that "anyone can grow up to be president", but in practice you have to be a politician or have won the Second World War. Trump is the first non-"public servant" to shatter the glass ceiling. He's proved you can win the presidency without being a Bush or a Clinton or a lifetime member of the political class. He's proved you can shatter the glass ceiling and win without the consultant class, without donors, without focus groups, without a gazillion-dollar ad budget, without your own party's office-holders and intellectuals, and without a "ground game" - without turnout models, without field offices, without three lame-o cardboard mailers poking out of your post-office box every day. In dispensing with all the rubbish that makes American politics as remote and ritual-bound as Chinese opera, he has performed a signal service to this republic.

    Trump also proved you can shatter the glass ceiling and lead the biggest Republican Party victory (White House and Congress) since 1928 by saying every 20 minutes "outrageous" things that outrage no normal person and that, even if you're ever so mildly peeved by them, are never going to take priority over the economy or health care or foreign policy when it comes to determining your vote. Example: Me back in July 2015, a month after Trump entered the race and a couple of days after he'd supposedly insulted "all veterans" by dissing John McCain:

    And that's the most important sense in which Trump shattered the glass ceiling. As the Brexiteers did across the Atlantic, he bucked the bipartisan consensus, overwhelmingly supported by the media, the crony capitalists and the donor class, that remorseless mass unskilled immigration takes priority over the rights and lives of their own citizens. Trump turned the armies of the "culturally dispossessed" into just another aggrieved minority group, and the new minority came out in enough numbers to make them a majority. If both left and right regard Trump's victory as a horror show, well, you created the monster: The establishment of both parties spent the last year telling his supporters they no longer mattered - they're too old, too white, too male, too bluecollar, too rust-belt, too too tootsie, g'bye; they're old and fading and they'll be dead soon. This is, in fact, an over-broad generalization: Trump pulled more millennials than Romney, and more of the Latino vote, and he doubled Mitt's share of the black vote.

    Even so, it was too much to expect this New America to wait for this old, irrelevant America actually to kick the bucket: they had to hasten 'em into the grave by endless taunting that everyone matters more than you. So that, in nothing flat, transgendered rights suddenly become a huge urgent public-policy priority requiring instant federal bathroom ordinances and congratulatory calls from the White House to Caitlyn Jenner. And you've never met a transgendered person or know anyone who's met one - and yet they matter, and you and millions like you don't. And both the left's social-justice warriors and the right's psephologists are insisting that you'll matter even less next time.

    Yesterday, the dispossessed said they're tired of being told they don't count - and, in terms of the electoral arithmetic, demonstrated that in fact the experts can't count.

    The rap on Trump is that he's not a conservative - and, to judge from my inbox and Twitter feed, that he is in fact a liberal Democrat. On the first point, I would argue he's a conservative in the most basic, primal sense of national sovereignty, which is the organizing principle of the functioning world. As for whether he's a liberal, well, he's certainly supported Democrats in the past. But so what? Winston Churchill was a Liberal who became a Conservative - and was the indispensable man at the hinge moment of the 20th century. And no, I'm not saying Trump is the new Churchill; it's more basic than that: Politics is supposed to be the art of persuasion: If you're arguing that a former Democrat cannot become a Republican, can only be a Trojan Horse, a Democrat cuckoo in your GOP nest, then you're saying that you're not in the persuasion business - and therefore you're not in politics, you're just trapped in a sterile, pointless, reductive tribalism.

    I want American conservatism to get back in the persuasion business, and in that respect it would behoove some of the mainstays of the "movement" to engage in a moment of reflection. Too many professional conservatives at the magazines and think-tanks have been talking to themselves for too long and don't even see the glass ceiling above their own heads. That's the one that needs shattering.....snip~

    http://www.steynonline.com/7592/building-the-wall-shattering-the-ceiling
     
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    Good. If you see my piece as fear-mongering than you understand my point. Remember it, for Trump will turn this fear into reality.

    And no, Trump is not Hitler. Far worse; he has just copied Hitlers crazy rise to power, swept up by a hysterical population who was blinded by revenge for loss of jobs and homes.
    I believe there was LITTLE rationale involved in any electoral decisions made by Trump supporters. Revenge was the dish they decided to serve to Obama. Ice-cold. Trump supporters voted with their emotions, not their brain.
    It will cost them and the rest of the country, not to mention the rest of the world, very dear. That tends to happen when a fascist is allowed to rule supreme...

    Yes, I think Trump is an aspiring dictator monstrosity.
    And you'll be back on this forum posting about it when Trump, the fascist and racist, acts like President Trump the racist and fascist. And oh dear, you voted for him.
     
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    We're a republic sir. To insinuate he will be a dictator is a slap in the face of all the institutions we have in place.

    Obama's landmark policies ACA and Iran deal are both unpopular in the electorate. He has been given a mandate to do this, fix the economy, inject common sense in foreign policy.

    He was not elected to conduct genocide. Believing in sovereignty and laws does not make one racist.

    Tell that to foreigners waiting in line to get in.

    Your hysteria is duly noted.
     
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    Some, understandably, wish to ignore the president elect's appeal to a radical ilk whose support he has attracted, but it's real.

    Let us hope he disappoints them.

     
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    What a pompous OP! I find "elitism" to be such an annoying trait.
     
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    Nice to see Natty that you haven't turned into a "hater"......
     
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    I agree. I mean when he called half of Trump supporters deplorables . . . wait . . . it was Hillary Clinton who did that and it was leftists who cheered her.
     
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    You seem to be a knowledgeable person, Natty, but how much do you know about Biblical scripture?

    King David had a close friend general of his who slept by his door after coming off the field of war due to his loyalty rather than going home to his wife. David wanted his wife and so sent him to certain death at the front lines of battle to get her.

    What has Trump done that approaches that kind of dark behavior?

    And, oh yes, scripture also calls David "a man after God's own heart."

    Trump may be or have been a 'rascal.' but still also have good intentions toward this country.
     
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    It will be interesting to see what percentage of Bernie supporters refused to vote for Hillary.
     
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    No, because if you take away leftist's race card and misogyny card then they have got nothing and would be forced to 'debate' on the actual merits of any given issue. They would collectively suffer brain farts.

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    Be fair. As soon as MSNBC or The Daily KOS tell him what to think he will be back.

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    Regardless of actual reality the Left will push the fiction that Hillary won the popular vote, no matter what later data reveals.
     
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    That's almost precisely what I heard a financial analyst say on the radio today, that the markets vigorously rebounded because Trump is pro business and not only the United States but the rest of the world is ready to experience solid financial health again. In a round-about-way it was a condemnation of eight years of economic stagnation via Obamanomics.

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    Well said.
     
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    Good points. Today a Slate ezine writer admitted that perhaps -- just perhaps -- it was beyond stupid, arrogant, and -- yes -- BIGOTED of the Left to dump all over WHITE blue collar workers the way that they have been doing by auto-labeling any White unhappy with Obama's America . . . racist.
     
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    Very nice.
     
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    Trump won because Democrats didn't come out to support Hillary Clinton. 7 million less people voted in 2016 than 2012. Then looking at the exit polls, you had this:

    Clinton didn't excite them. A lot of those who failed to show up were Sanders supporters, the young who Labeled Clinton "Wall Street Hillary." the ones who were so peeved once it was proven the DNC rigged the primaries so Hillary was sure to win, they stayed home. Of those who went to the polls, 22% voted for Trump.

    On the race side, where Obama received 95% of the black vote, Clinton received 88%. Hispanic vote, Obama 71% in 2012, Clinton 65% in 2016, Asian Obama 76% in 2012, Clinton 65% in 2016. Actually Trump received 58% of the white vote in 2016 vs. Romney's 59%. But that one percent drop off didn't go to Clinton, she actually received two points lower than Obama who received 39% of the white vote, Clinton got 37%. Johnson and third party candidate benefited from the difference.

    Clinton received 89% of the Democratic base vote, Trump 9%. In 2012, Obama received 92% and Romney 6%. The bottom line is Clinton failed to excite, Obama did and apparently Trump excited his supporters much more than Hillary as initially there were less of them. Then one must wonder how much the double digit increase in premiums for Obamacare hurt Hillary. Those voters who made up their minds in the last week leading up to the election went for Trump 50-38. It is these late deciders that weren't listed in the polls.
     
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