Trump implodes!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, May 20, 2018.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm proud of you for looking up a big boy word. Now here is another lesson.... it is Comey and "I", not "me " and Comey. When you get to fourth grade you'll learn a lot of big boy words.....some of them naughty.
     
  2. Kode

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    WRONG! @Golem essentially said "Who, me and Comey?"
    Saying "I" would be wrong because you wouldn't say "Who, I?"
    You would say "Who, me?"
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nixon's big mistake was not letting John Mitchell take the heat for hiring the bunch of bmblnt crooks that were involved in the break in. Once Dick started talking about paying them off to clam up, he screwed himself, especially after everyone knew that there were tapes of meetings in which covering up the crime was discussed. It had nothing to do with whether he was a D or an R. This whiny little screed about being picked on for being a Republican is a tired old canard.
     
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  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Beg to differ. It is little boy speak. A mature adult would say......"Who, Comey and I?" You wouldn't say "me and Golem are part of the Hate Trump crowd.....or would you?
     
  5. PrincipleInvestment

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    Don't need "dancing" lessons, thanks. :;):
     
  6. Kode

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    Get an English grammar book. Would you say "explain it to I?" Or would you say "explain it to me"?

    Proper usage:
    "Golem and I are here". (BECAUSE you would say "I am here".)
    "Give it to Golem and me". (BECAUSE you would say "give it to me".)
    "Who are you referring to? ... Golem and me?" (BECAUSE you would say "who are you referring to?... Me?)

    Then we can move on to proper usage of their, there, and they're as well as your and you're.
     
  7. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I remember right it's the minutes erased from the tapes that Nixon was recording and the cover up of the break in of Democratic headquarters. He didn't know of the break in and didn't order it done. But tried to cover it up after he found out about it.
     
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    There seems they might have been a crime committed and he is asking the DOJ to look into it. Why does that have to be for political purposes?
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah. I can see you tap-dance around the facts presented to you.
     
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  10. PrincipleInvestment

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    Uh ... no. Go back to square 1 ... in this case post #1 ... yours. Similarities YOU perceive in re Watergates Saturday night massacre aren't "facts", they're your erroneous observations. So in post #2, I provide the real facts ... Nixon's admin. just like Obama's admin. conducted illegal, and unsanctioned political espionage. That's the real similarity. Just like in the case of Richard Nixon, congress is asking "what did the president know, and when did he know it"?
     
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    Trump seeks an investigation for actions already taken, that cannot be considered targeting his opponents. Trump is well within his rights to seek redress for potential crimes committed, regardless of who committed them. Are Democrats suggesting that crimes go unpunished? Clearly they do, they would rather protect criminals in their midst than the rule of law. No wonder they can't win elections...
     
  12. yabberefugee

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    Golem &me is fine. Me and Golem....little boy speak
     
  13. Golem

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    What? Where the hell did you read that the Saturday night massacre wasn't a fact? Are you delusional?

    You present a Trump talking point as "fact"? But you go even farther. You don't present it as something that needs to be investigated but as something that is "real fact". And this is despite the fact that, besides the word of Donald Trump, there is nothing that would even remotely indicate that it's even worth investigating.

    But in Nixon's case, just like in Trump's case, there was already something known that merited an investigation. The wiretapping at Watergate was real, the Russian intervention in our campaign was real. This "spy" thing comes only from the mouth of somebody who keeps insisting that his inauguration had the largest crowd in history, that he didn't know about Stormy Daniels' payment, that Obama "wiretapped" him in Trump tower... and an average of 5 such lies per day since he took office. Not even the officials that he himself appointed have given any indication that they believe him. But you catalog it among the "real facts"

    Now, that's pathetic...
     
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  14. Kode

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    Well, all you can do is attempt condescending personal attacks and repetition.

    "Golem and me" is, indeed fine, -in certain contextual usage... like when it is preceded by a verb clause like "give it to..." or "show it to...". But when it's the noun like "Golem and I ran" .... well, I already explained it to you and I think you're just jerking my chain to get a reaction, little boy. What grades did you get in English grammar?
     
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    I want you to excel Kode. Since you have pursued this issue beyond reason, I would ask you to say "Kode and myself". See, Kode , "myself" would make you sound like a big boy, but never ever put "me" first before others. See, in my years of existance I have read a lot of books. To hear someone say "him and me" or especially "me and him" is like a fiddle out of tune. From a little boy it may sound "endearing", but when you get to be a young man.....it is a bit annoying.
    Here is the original quote from Golem you are contesting:
    "Me and Comey? How old are you? Nine?"- by Golem This is where the condescention began, Mine was only a response to that as well as an attempt to help Golem sound a little bit more mature.
     
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    Don't be ridiculous. The reason we put ourselves after the other's name is not grammar. It's also not because your mommy told you when you were 5 (not long ago). It's politeness. In this case, politeness towards Comey If you're demanding "politeness" towards Comey, after you disparage him, that's ridiculous. What is childish in your message is that you equate me with Comey on national affairs. In other words, what is childish is your content ... not the wording.

    You need to worry more about your content and less about the wording. If it were up to you, me and Bobby McGee would have never existed... Or even me and Mrs. Jones Which would be a shame because we got a thing going on.
     
  17. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you ask me how old I am "9"? Then speak like an imbecile......it is self defeating. Think you got the point.
     
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    Trump made the mistake of arranging a meeting between top congressional leaders and senior intelligence and law enforcement officials to examine his screwball conspiracy theory that the FBI and DOJ inserted spies in his campaign. Once again, he made himself look like a fool.

    After the second briefing concluded, Schiff read a statement on behalf of the Democratic members of the so-called "Gang of 8" – congressional leaders who get high-level intelligence briefings.

    "Nothing we heard today has changed our view that there is no evidence to support any allegation that the FBI or any intelligence agency placed a spy in the Trump campaign, or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols,” Schiff said.

    In case some are concerned about the partisan nature of the remark, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Fox News that there was "nothing really surprising" in the classified briefing.

    When asked about the President's accusation that the FBI spied on the Trump campaign team, Speaker Paul Ryan could not keep a silly grin from slipping out and he refused to address the question.

    Trey Gowdy and Devin Nunes were the main movers in attempts to gather evidence from the DOJ and FBI concerning what they had against Trump. They had the most at stake in the meeting. The meetings are the result of a subpoena Nunes issued earlier this month demanding classified documents related to the source, a request the Justice Department denied due to national security and concerns about sources and methods. Nunes' House Intelligence Committee leaks like a sieve and the prime "siever" is Nunes himself.

    Nunes and Gowdy left without speaking to reporters.
     
  19. Kode

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    Ok pally, I'll give you something you can't give me.... -evidence.... documentation.

    "As simple tip to understand which one to use, remove "you and" in the sentence, and see if the sentence is still correct (apart from the verbs that need to be changed from plural to singular)."

    "Rule of thumb: If it was just you, and you'd say "me", then when there's someone else it's "Golem and me". Again if it's just you, and you'd say "I" then it becomes "Golem and I". e.g. "are you coming with me" becomes "are you coming with Golem and me". "I am going to the store" becomes "Golem and I are going to the store".

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1047/which-is-correct-you-and-i-or-you-and-me

    Next:

    "Should you always write and say “you and I” and avoid “you and me”? Some native speakers will tell you so, but not only does no such rule exist, but using “you and I” instead of “you and me” is plain wrong in many situations.

    The rule is quite simple, actually. If “you and I” is the subject of a sentence (i.e. “you and I” are the people who are doing the action), it is the correct form:

    You and I are good friends. (correct)
    You and me are good friends. (colloquial)

    The second example is not strictly speaking wrong (it is widespread to use “you and me” this way), it’s just colloquial and should be avoided in formal speech and formal writing.

    If “you and I” is an object (i.e. the action is being done to it), the correct form is “you and me”:

    She didn’t see you and me. (correct)
    She didn’t see you and I. (wrong)


    https://jakubmarian.com/you-and-i-vs-you-and-me-in-english/

    Next:

    Technical: http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/between_you_and_I_or_me.htm

    Next:

    Education for you: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/pronouns-for-you-and-i-nope-pronouns-for-you-and-me

    Next:

    "Is the correct form of this sentence "You and I ..." or "You and me ..."? This is a common source of confusion in English.
    Fortunately, there's an easy way to decide whether to use "I" or "me" in such sentences. All you have to do is discard the word "you" then try the sentence with "I" and "me" one at a time."

    https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/you-and-me-vs-you-and-i.413383/

    Now, go find references to support your assertions. Good luck!
     
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    I really appreciate your efforts Kode. I didn't really want to take so much of your time. You cleared up a lot in the area of "You and me" (which to me does sound awkward) however you totally fail to address the "me and you" (the actual subject of debate here) which I guarantee anyone who specializes in English literature would tell you it is a no no.
    However, since you seem to want to cut and paste....here is an opinion given by an English Scholar:
    Unless someone's name was "Me and You," I don't think there is a correct usage of this. However, the people who answered that only "You and I" is the ONLY proper phrase, are incorrect. There's a time for "You and I," and a time for "You and me." When it's the subject of the sentence, "You and I" is correct (i.e. "You and I are going to the store."); but when it's the object of the sentence, use "you and me" (i.e. "He hit you and me."). A good way to figure out which one to use is to take the "you" part out of the sentence and see which one makes sense. (For example, you wouldn't say "Me is going to the store," or "He hit I" would you?) Hope this helps!
     
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  21. Kode

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    I addressed it several times, like in pot 106 for starters.

    It started with Golem paraphrasing you, and you wouldn't accept that. You doubled down in post 101 with " Now here is another lesson.... it is Comey and "I", not "me " and Comey. When you get to fourth grade you'll learn a lot of big boy words.....some of them naughty" where you start the condescension and insults. And frankly, probably most of the refusal of both Golem and me to give you an inch was likely due to your continued condescension and insults.



    That is what I said in post 106.
     
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    Today, there is still no reaction today from Republicans except what Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had to say.

    “The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise — the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation,” McConnell told NPR. “I support both of them, and I don’t really have anything to add to this subject based upon the Gang of Eight briefing that we had today, which was classified.”

    Trump made a complete fool of himself again. First, he makes an outrageous, unproven accusation that the FBI spied on him on orders from Obama. Then he arranges a meeting to examine the wild accusation. Of course, it turned out just the way everyone -- except Trump -- expected it would. The FBI was investigating alleged collaboration between Trump's campaign team and the Russians.

    Honestly, how stupid can you be?
     
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    They were looking to invent something. We all had heard the Russians were up to something. How many spies were put in the Hillary campaign??
     

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