Trump is very confused when it comes to his border wall

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  1. Marine1

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    You want to talk about a Party's failure, just look at the Obama administration. The man did practically nothing right. Maybe giving the go ahead to attack the house intelligence belied bin Laden was in. That's about all I can think of. He went back or lied on most of his promises to get elected. Screwed up the economy, screwed up the war against ISIS and allowed our military to go to hell. What the hell did he do right?
     
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    Per your own post, Democrats tried to spend almost $50 billion on border security, and that wasn't good enough for you. You've admitted that ideology is far more important to you than actually securing the border. That's why I find your selective but impotent poutrage so pathetically hilarious. Please, keep that going...
     
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    Border security is important, but so is not allowing the Democrats the chance to stay in power for decades to screw up the economy even worse than they did. Our kids needs jobs, good jobs. Our country needs good jobs to take in taxes to pay our bills and stay competitive with the industrial world. If not we become a third world power. That is the road the Democrats had us headed down
     
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    Again, I say:

    Per your own post, Democrats tried to spend almost $50 billion on border security, and that wasn't good enough for you. You've admitted that ideology is far more important to you than actually securing the border. That's why I find your selective but impotent poutrage so pathetically hilarious. Please, keep that going...
     
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    Wrong, use the white card and Schumer killed it on arrival.
     
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    Efforts to avoid a partial shutdown were thrown into chaos earlier in the day by the president. The House looked ready to pass the Senate's short-term spending bill, trying to avoid a messy fight just ahead of Christmas and as many lawmakers were eager to get home. But then House GOP leaders went to the White House and emerged saying that Trump had said he wouldn't sign the measure.

    Now, Trump finds himself in a standoff with Congress over his signature campaign promise — which he repeatedly said throughout the presidential race that Mexico would pay for. House GOP leaders, in their last few days wielding the majority, acquiesced to the president and put the new measure, which included $5.7 billion to fund Trump's border wall and $7.8 billion for disaster relief, to a vote. Democratic congressional leaders had argued last week such a bill couldn't pass in the House, but it did by a vote of 217-185. Eight Republicans opposed the bill.

    However, the House bill is expected to be dead on arrival in the Senate, where Republicans have only a two-seat majority and any legislation needs 60 votes to move forward. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's office said the Senate would begin consideration of the House version on Friday, which would require consent for expedited considerationsomething Democrats could block.

    As I stated. Democrats blaming Republicans simply do not know Senate Rules. Schumer was devoted to stopping this. And he did.
     
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    Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Congress that allows expedited passage of certain budgetary legislation on spending, revenues, and the federal debt limit with a simple majority vote in both the House (218 votes) and Senate (51 votes). Senate rules prohibit filibustering and impose a 20-hour cap on the total time for debate, motions and amendments related to reconciliation bills. The procedure also exists in the House of Representatives, but the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendments, so reconciliation has had a less significant impact on that body.

    The process was created by the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 and was first used in 1980. Reconciliation rules allow budget related adjustments, but larger policy changes that are extraneous to the budget are limited by the "Byrd Rule," an amendment named after Democratic Senator Robert Byrd that was passed in 1990.

    Reconciliation bills can be passed on spending, revenues, and the federal debt limit once a year per topic unless Congress passes a revised budget resolution for that fiscal year (under section 304 of the Congressional Budget Act). As an example, if a budget resolution's reconciliation instructions affect both spending and revenues, no further reconciliation legislation can occur on these topics in the same fiscal year without a revised budget resolution.

    It was used to filibuster-proof the 2017 tax cut, and could have been used at ANY time to COMPLETELY fund Donnie Two Scoops' vanity wall. Cecil Turtle and Eddie Munster CHOSE to let the wall slide.

    Please keep demonstrating your extensive knowledge of how the Legislative Branch works, however. I'm finding most enlightening... :roflol:

     
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    So, answer this :

    Why do you not seem to Blame Trump for letting 24 months of total Republican control pass without dealing with this 'crisis?' Why no sense of urgency before?

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    Explain how two years of absolute and deliberate inaction by Trump's circle-jerk caucus is the fault of Democrats? Especially when reconciliation would have removed them from the equation entirely?

    Please, dazzle us with your encyclopedic knowledge and flawless logic... :roflol:
     
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    I counsel you to slow down the rude remarks.
     
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    I challenge you to explain how this crisis is the fault of anyone without an 'R' next to their title without getting laughed out of the room.
     
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    You have to wonder why businesses hire them with out insisting they up date green cards and then pay them a living wage. The reason is simple. The gop has always been against immigration of anyone except whites.
     
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    It’s legal to be rude Mr. internet police. The president bone spurs makes a living out of calling people names.
     
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    Two thousand miles of water cannon coverage trucks....that makes lots of sense. I’m sure they’re pretty good at off roading too.
     
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    You got it. President asteroid just doesn’t know how to negotiate. He negotiated himself into six bankruptcies. What a great resume for the republicans voter. They have long been impressed by incompetence and corruption. Ever wonder why their administrations draw investigations like s.h.i.t. draws flys. Trump wasn’t in office for two minutes and the theft alarm went off and the fbi has been working over time ever since. And republicans wonder why no one trusts him.....figures.
     
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    The Dems most corrupt president BJ Bill, had just two investigations. He puts Reagan, Nixon and now Trump to shame for the incompetence and corruption trophy. Republicans hate competent presidents. They have a history of nominating idiots and critisizing competence. . .
     
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    It's the same way the left uses gas taxes to restrict use of oil.
     
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    Sure, show your intelligence by being a denier. The left actually pay the bills. The right let’s infrastructure rot so the top 1% can fly over it and complain.
     
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    Congressman Charles Rangel, Tom Daschle, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, Congressman Keith Ellison, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, Congressman Eliot Engel, Obama U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, White House General Counsel Gregory Craig, Al Franken, Chief Performance Officer Nominee Nancy Killfer. What do all these prominent Liberal Democrats have in common?
     
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    Probably not quite the same thing Trump, Reagan, Nixon and everyone of Trump’s cabinet have in common.
     
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    barbed wire can be fairly easily overcome by wire cutters or a blanket. It's not a stretch of the imagination to conclude that those people sitting on top of that fence got up there within thirty second then could have got onto the other side within a few seconds more, so that fence probably delayed them by less than a minute. So quite pointless.

    Above words was going to be a response to one of your previous posts but now I see that you don't want an increase in border guards!
     
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    Quick, my wall plan has been demolished so must go to conspiracy theory instead!
     
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    It's an excellent opportunity for the Republicans to gain some Hispanic voters by supporting them.
    But having said that; what do you propose doing with those 11 million people already in the country - many for decades? I always enjoy the answer to this question. Some are very creative, but I haven't heard yours yet.
     
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    The GOP had absolute control for two full years and chose - nay, went out of their way - to screw the useless idiots known as Cult45ers (aka: their loyal base and true believers) right in their ears. The truly pathetic part is the idiots are demanding that their sworn enemies, the 'Murica hatin' libruls, make it all better for them. That is damaged chromosome level stupidity right there.
     
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    The suggestion has been made before, that we deport them in the same imaginary buses that took three million to the polls in California anD a million in NH to vote for democrats.
     
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