Trump says Nato 'no longer obsolete'

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  1. Latherty

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    Yeah, since 1945 I imagine...Sorry, Germany lost the UNSC option after starting two world wars. Yes its a long time ago, yes, Germany is a different place now, no you're not getting in the UNSC. ever. Best hope is to borrow France's ticket through the EU.

    Japan pays more than Germany, by the way, and also does not have a UNSC seat.

    https://factly.in/united-nations-budget-contributions-by-member-countries/
     
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    Erm, why?
     
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    How did we start two world wars? You do realize that Germany joined WW I almost two weeks after it broke out? What kind of education do you have?

    We want a seat and we will get it. As our foreign minister said, we might otherwise stop our contributions. We dont pay money for nothing in return.
     
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    Because expanding the permanent veto powers of UNSC will be blocked by existing members. Its already well nigh impossible to get a decision made. None would be in favour of having seat removed from another party to give to Germany because that would open the possibility the same could be done to them. Besides, Germany does not add any significantly different opinion in world affairs that is not already represented by the two other Western European powers, three other Western powers or the four other white-dominated powers.
     
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    Then you won't pay and you will expel yourself from the UN. UNSC is not a buy-a-seat arrangement.
     
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    That is wrong. Germany has a fundamental different political approach than UK and France. We backed Gaddafi. We ousted morsi in egypt and funded al Sisi. We place practical stability above ideology.
     
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    So basically, at the current time there is not much reason for Germany to be included in Security Council, in your opinion. Does not means circubstances will never change.
     
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    You think you're more different than India? or Japan? or Indonesia? or Brazil?
    There is not a single rep from South America or Africa on UNSC. Germany has its own view, sure, but its not a significantly different view because the culture is a developed Western European democracy.
     
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    We hold more power than india, indonesia and brazil combined. This is not about views. Its simply renomee. The UNSC is powerless anyways. Its more like a club membership. We are more influential than france or uk. This should be visible there.
     
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    Sure, there is always a possibility, like the sun won't rise tomorrow or the moon is really made of cheese. But realistically, its never going to happen because of the reasons stated and also because the rest of the world thinks the Europe already has quite enough power.
     
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    More power? India has the bomb.
    In any event, the point I am making in this respect is that only Russia and China have any inkling of what it takes to keep law and order with very little money in a country of many people. Handing more white western comfy-chair generals a veto at the UNSC has no benefit to the rest of the world.
     
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    India is a pathetic 3rd world shithole that does what we want whenever we throw some cent infrontntheir feet.
     
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    Yeah, you've really made the case to get you guys on the UNSC....
     
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    You are free to have your thoughts, but that has no bearing on the legal position
     
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    Well, is there any law that applies to Assad's leadership?
     
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    Please re read my post.
     
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    "NATO is obsolete", "NATO is not obsolete". Trump obviously doesn't have a clue as to what he is doing. But keep telling yourself that he is doing well. You're part of the 1/3 of America that thinks this.
     
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    Barbaric to not align with theocracies like Iran who stone their citizens to death ??
     
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    He is doing great. China is now acting against North Korea and abstained on the Syria vote in the UN yesterday. NATO has come around as well. And his action in Syria has demonstrated leadership which has brought about an effective ME coalition willing to fight between the US, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and NATO. Trump negotiates by taking an extreme position and then moving toward the middle. He is certainly doing much more and with greater success than Obama did.
     
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    Only that which the UNSC would be willing to uphold.
     
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    Your post was nonspecific regarding how Trump was going to allegedly "end the killing in Syria".

    Please provide specifics as to how EXACTLY he is going to make this happen.
     
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    Trump is non specific - for very good reasons. But a coalition of ME and NATO to create safe spaces in Syria will result in the saving of life and the ability of innocent citizens to return to their homes in Syria. And this will put pressure on Assad to leave, Russia to cooperate in Assad's replacement, and advancement in the war on ISIS. The latest from Assad is that the chemical attack never happened and the dead babies were all actors.
     
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    In the news today they say the US intercepted communications between Assad's government and Russian chemical weapons advisors.

    Is Russia playing all sides?
     
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    Yeah, maybe another lie or two might convince you otherwise, in the ensuing weeks.
     

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