Trump vows to punish doctors, hospitals that provide gender-affirming care to transgender minors

You both look foolish. Desantis had nothing to do with this.

 

You seem to get swept up in every psuedo-psychological, pop culture, psychotic pandemic that comes along.

The difference with this particular nonsense though is that the government is giving fangs to the activists that have been deliberately put in position to bull whip these perverse attacks upon our society into a full blown disaster.

Certainly many of these kids will never recover, and our society will be irreparably damaged.

If you have any conscience at all, you'll back at this time with great regret.

 

Okay

 

Wasn't really talking about DeSantis more that Trump knew it would play well to his base.

They both have a similar base so I think there's some validity in the observation. In fact Trump does seem to be cribbing from the other guy.

 

There have been Trans people around for as long as I can remember and I'm in my 60s.

Sex change operations used to be universally thought of as a miracle of modern science so why all the focus on them now?

Could it be that they're just the hate totem du jour?

 

Probably because the #s of transgender has doubled in the last 4-5 years. Probably because more transgender women are now participating in womens sports. Probably because parents are just recently learning what their kids are being taught in schools regarding transgender. Probably because Drag Queen Story hours have been occurring more frequently.

 

I do not believe you could find a hospital in the USA that would do that.

 

Almost ALL of what the "trans movement" is pushing for is what the Pope is pushing for.

And, that is respect and open armed acceptance.

DeSantis uses his political power of government against LGBTQ citizens in direct opposition to the Pope, medical science, and psychology.

 

You are not asking if I agree with it.

You are asking whether the government should step in to dictate a political opinion on individuals and their parents.

I do NOT believe that having the government and politics step in to dictate to parents on this topic is an improvement.

Government just doesn't have answers in this realm.

The problem we face today is that LGBTQ kids are 20X more likely to commit suicide.

THAT is the problem we should be focused on. We are perpetuating an environment of abject misery for these kids.

 

You said that 18 is the age of majority on medical decision making. How was that relevant to gender affirming care?

 

Okay, and there are many that will cut off penis and healthy breasts, including on kids. Point proven! Thank so much @Think for myself for bringing up body integrity dysphoria! I have now formed an anti-gender affirming care argument that I will be using from now! I'm actually STUNNED that conservative political commentators that I listen to have never made this argument! You did say that it was super rare after all, so maybe they don't know about it just like I didn't.

 

No I would obviously not deny them that, but that's because it's treating a physical condition.

 

Welcome.

 

Here's the problem that you have: I asked you what age can the child make the decision themselves to get gender affirming care, and you could not give an age. You just said "it depends on the child." Then I asked you when should a child be legally able to consent to sex, and all of a sudden you are able to give an age. You did not just say "it depends on the child." This is quite telling.

 

so then we agree, and that is why I brought it up, the right likes to go to far and these people would suffer from total bans

 

and I answered, it depends on the child, thus the parent and doctor is also involved - but the child should never be forced

 

??? Minors are subject to the decisions of their legal parents or guardians.

Did you REALLY not know that?

 

Yes, but again, how is that relevant to gender affirming care?

 

YOU problem is that you need to do your homework.

Asking others to explain how our system works is just plain lame.

Since you DON'T know how our system works, you should do some reading about that.

 

There you go again! "It depends on the child." Why don't you also say that for the age of consent for sex?

 

So you're equating cancer related treatment to gender affirming care? Surely not!

 

I was not asking @FreshAir how your system works. I was asking for their OPINION on what the age of consent should be for sex and gender affirming care. That should have been clear.

 

You keep asking these goofy questions that make it sound like you're trying for a "gotcha" somewhere.

If a kid goes to a hospital, emancipation is a huge deal, and in most cases (but not always) happens automatically at age 18. And, may happen by court approval at a younger age.


Why do you fail to know the very most basic aspects of how our system works???

 

No, I am just wondering what the age of medical consent has to do with, once again in case you missed it, GEDNER AFFIRMING CARE!

 

Believe in what you want. What Trump does and what DeSantis does can be two different things.