Trump wants to impose work requirement for food stamp users

All you need is a pin. That's it, & that's all.

 

"Able-bodied people" shouldn't be issued food stamps in the first place. So no work requirement necessary.

 

There you go.

If anyone can use someone elses card you're not going to detect the level of fraud, let alone catch them.

 

And the Congergation says, AMEN.

This is why drug dealers jumped for joy when the conversion to the cards happened.

I didn't pay for my vittals ... For over a decade.

 

You see, the Gubmint thinks criminals are scared easily, or put off, by needing a pin....

LMAO, considering the level of credit card / debit card fraud, you'd think they'd have known better.

But pushing an agenda trumps logic.

 

Stop letting 10's of millions of criminal illegal aliens and more millions of green card indentured servants in and unemployment and the far more damaging underemployment drops by a considerable percentage right off the bat. Get rid of a lot of the ones already here while we're at it. Also get rid of the many millions of non-citizens infesting the country, mostly Hillary and Obama traitor fans. Thomas Jefferson would approve this message.

 

Actually no the numbers were falling until the Democrats took control of the Congress and even before then had not reached the levels under Clinton before Gingrich and Kasich tightened the work requirement rules.

 

No, Israel is not a socialist country. The kibbutz ideals are largely religious, not political. In the 70's their socialist tendencies got them in quite a bit of trouble.

Nowadays, there are more capitalist startups in Israel than in all of western Europe, and Israel itself is far less socialist than the EU boneheads.

 

Obviously, they are not being paid what they are worth if the government is socializing Walmart's business costs.

 

They are being paid what the JOB is worth, you want to pay people more than the job is worth start a business and do so.

 

Why are you bringing up only walmart?????

Are you telling me that walmart is the only company that has employees sucking on the government teet???

 

They are the big dog, but so many others, like Commie Donnie, who enjoy the ride on the corporate welfare train.

 

Any company, large or small caught hiring illegals should be forfeited to the Government where it will be sold and the proceeds used to finance additional enforcement.

 

No, at least not in my area. You have the PIN and it works or it doesn't. I have had several people approach me wanting me to let them put my stuff on their card and give them the money for their "broken down car" or car that is "out of gas" but I have never done it. I heard indirectly that someone got their Xbox repaired basically that way. The person did the work and then they got to use the card for however many dollars the cost was.

 

That's the thing. Everyone knows someone who has been around EBT fraud, or has participated in it, or been asked to participate in it.

Do you still think that figure is 1%?

It might be 1% at the corner store scenario, but everywhere else it's endemic.

 

I never said I thought it was 1%, and I am not sure if you are talking about 1% of the people on it or 1% if the money spent on it. I doubt whatever the number is either way would bother me as much as it would you or many here as for all I know a lot of them do use the money for things we take for granted that may be necessities of life like toilet paper. I have a couple in my house regularly on SNAP and they are forever "borrowing" things like paper towels, toilet paper, laundry and dish detergent. It is completely annoying but I suppose it is better than them being arrested for shoplifting. I just hide the good stuff and let them "borrow" the cheap stuff I buy in anticipation of their visits.

 

You must live in a sad area. Local fast food place near me is offering $9.50 per hour full-time with benefits.

 

Spending for FS decreased under Clinton, increased under Bush.

 

The early Zionists were also socialists. That is well established. Its government today is financed largely by USA dollars and it has a socialist health care system. Without American taxpayers subsidizing it, its currency would be worthless.

 

In the 1920s they were all Bolsheviks.

 

Yes Clinton came in during a strong recovery but it REALLY decreased after Gingrich and Kasich took the congress in 1995 and started tightening rules and forced him to sign welfare reform. Presidents do not control FS spending the congress does.

 

Absolutely. Everyone has freedom to do as they like morally (within the law) as long as they are footing their own bills. When you are talking about programs paid for by taxpayer dollars, it is NOT an infringement of anyone's "freedom" to impose certain requirements. They are free to NOT apply if they don't like or agree with the requirements. If you want or need help, you agree to the rules. The problem is too many Americans have been sold and bought into a bill of goods that it is somehow "unfair" to require those who want or need help to behave in a certain way -- i.e. be on permanent birth control while receiving help to support your child you chose to give birth to but can't afford to care for, in order to prevent you from compounding your original problem. In the old days, if you couldn't care for your child, it was removed due to your neglect. We went too far the other way.....there's a middle ground. The only way to change behavior is with the carrot AND the stick.

 

Okay, but think about this, it's not just poor people that do morally reprehensible things as long as it's not illegal.

Human beings from ALL walks in life in this country have come to the conclusion (and for now, it's pretty much true) that you can do anything you want to, no matter how horrible the morality of it is, as long as it's not directly ILLEGAL. From the poor person abusing food stamps to buy cigarettes, to the corporate CEO that off-shores their customer service department to the Phillipeans and/or coerces their employees to work mandatory overtime, or pays their employees KNOWING that the government will give them assistance to help them survive even with the poor wages.

IMO, unless we start enforcing morals on EVERYONE at the same time, whatever group that is able to escape the long arm of the law is going to find themselves quickly the target for public lynching. And that is assuming we can even come to a collective agreement in the USA of a set of morals to follow. No matter what side of the political spectrum wins the war, both sides are going to suffer massive, and possibly bloody casualties.

It's the reason I don't think it will happen for a long time to come. And it frustrates me to know that we as a country prefer the slow, steady slide into oblivion.

 

Buying cigarettes with food stamps is illegal, so, the comparison is moote.

Forget morals. Enforcing the law, & better regulating easily scammed programs, should suffice.

 

I agree there has been a downward slide of morals in general in this country, and while diversity in general is good, one of the problems with it is a lack of societal agreement about the "proper" way to behave. IMO, we can start with looking at our laws and government in general. It is time for THE PEOPLE to stand up and be reasonable. Every issue does NOT have to be extended down the garden path to every possible conceivable outcome before an action is taken. We have "X" amount of dollars to accomplish "Y" list of things via government. The first and foremost responsibilities of government is what is actually delineated in plain English in our Constitution. Next comes things that have been "interpreted" to be included in it.

Many people have expressed the idea that if we do anything to limit "hand-outs", the permanent underclass will revolt. I don't see that happening -- I think it FAR more likely that those who have been tasked with providing more and more benefits to said underclass while not getting any further ahead themselves, those who have had to make choices to do the "right" thing and pay their own bills, limit the size of their own families to what they can afford, yet are called upon to pay for as many children of others as those people want to have, to pay for those people to have health care that they themselves can no longer afford, etc etc are the ones who are going to REVOLT. That's what triggered Trump's election, like it or not. It's a big, silent, majority out there, too busy to go protesting or anything else but work their butts off to pay for everyone else. And what would make these people REALLY happy is to see government start putting PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY requirements back on it's citizens in order to receive any government benefits, both personal and CORPORATE citizens alike.